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2017-11-17 09:58:51
gloops
just cut some steel while bin lorry was about, trying to keep grinding noise to a minimum heh
2017-11-17 10:00:29
gloops
was ok where i was a lad on the corner was into stock cars, they were in the garage early and on the drive grinding and welding all day, kinda took the attention off me making noise
2017-11-17 10:00:33
gloops
but hes moved
2017-11-17 10:02:18
archivist
I try yo keep my noise 9-5 ish
2017-11-17 10:15:16
IchGucksLive
hi all
2017-11-17 10:15:48
IchGucksLive
gloops: now offical germany first
2017-11-17 10:23:41
XXCoder
hey
2017-11-17 10:33:09
XXCoder
good news if you have personal jet! there is tax breaks coming
2017-11-17 10:55:03
gloops
germany first Ichs? is this some kind of political movement?
2017-11-17 10:56:02
XXCoder
gloops: considering usa just had "make america great again" I'd be not surpised.
2017-11-17 10:56:18
gloops
we have Britain First
2017-11-17 10:56:35
gloops
i think thats where trump got it from
2017-11-17 10:56:52
XXCoder
make germany great again
2017-11-17 10:56:58
XXCoder
1940
2017-11-17 10:57:06
gloops
dont start all that again lol
2017-11-17 10:57:20
XXCoder
MAGA and MGGA
2017-11-17 10:58:07
archivist
eu was starting that again, hence kicking them off out island
2017-11-17 10:58:14
archivist
our
2017-11-17 10:58:58
gloops
yes archivist, best thing uk has done for a long time imo
2017-11-17 10:59:44
jthornton
morning
2017-11-17 11:00:10
IchGucksLive
gloops: the Ranking of the Wolds countrys is out
2017-11-17 11:00:28
gloops
whats germany first at?
2017-11-17 11:00:35
IchGucksLive
UK lost its second place to trance
2017-11-17 11:01:05
XXCoder
brexit still going on>?
2017-11-17 11:01:10
gloops
yes im sure we've gone down in the estimation of the global banks who draw these lists up
2017-11-17 11:01:14
IchGucksLive
Best Country in the world to Be/Live/Work
2017-11-17 11:01:20
gloops
good
2017-11-17 11:01:23
IchGucksLive
UK now 3rd
2017-11-17 11:01:31
IchGucksLive
USA dropped to 6th
2017-11-17 11:01:36
gloops
everybody - go to germany, not the uk
2017-11-17 11:01:38
IchGucksLive
france is second
2017-11-17 11:01:44
XXCoder
MAGA!! :P
2017-11-17 11:01:57
IchGucksLive
XXCoder: ad a N
2017-11-17 11:02:03
archivist
archivist rofls at france getting into any tables at all
2017-11-17 11:02:07
XXCoder
?
2017-11-17 11:02:24
XXCoder
archivist: france is pretty tough country
2017-11-17 11:02:45
archivist
bunch of striking farmers
2017-11-17 11:02:58
IchGucksLive
let me look if i can find the ranking issues
2017-11-17 11:07:24
IchGucksLive
Whow there is a world DonaldT News ranking
2017-11-17 11:08:09
gloops
wow just received an interesting parcel - some pulleys and belts an old woman was selling, but also 2 rollon linear slide things
2017-11-17 11:08:19
gloops
gloops suddenly sees new z axis design
2017-11-17 11:08:27
IchGucksLive
gloops: in Augest the UK got the first European country since without coal to power day
2017-11-17 11:08:43
XXCoder
gloops: ladies send you weird stuff?
2017-11-17 11:08:50
gloops
id bring coal back
2017-11-17 11:08:57
XXCoder
nah
2017-11-17 11:09:22
IchGucksLive
gloops: are you building your own miner
2017-11-17 11:09:23
gloops
XXCoder this old woman has been selling old cnc stuff for a while, husband deceased, steppers, belts pulleys odd bits and bobs
2017-11-17 11:09:32
XXCoder
coal will run out. sun will run out also... in 5 billion years
2017-11-17 11:09:46
XXCoder
interesting
2017-11-17 11:09:57
gloops
i saw these linear slides on the photo - they looked pretty cheap and flimsy - they are rock solid heavy duty
2017-11-17 11:10:08
IchGucksLive
gloops: you got the first g-code move already
2017-11-17 11:10:25
gloops
Rollon csw43-150
2017-11-17 11:11:11
gloops
http://www.linearmotion.co.nz/webfiles/LinearMotionNZ/files/Rollon_Compact_rail_Indexed.pdf
2017-11-17 11:11:21
IchGucksLive
there are inside fast slider boxes
2017-11-17 11:11:36
IchGucksLive
like packing mashines
2017-11-17 11:11:47
IchGucksLive
can take 100m/sec
2017-11-17 11:11:59
gloops
theyre solid, 4 big bearings inside a square rail with proper wipers
2017-11-17 11:12:21
IchGucksLive
this is expensive stuff
2017-11-17 11:12:36
gloops
i can imagine that, heavy well made
2017-11-17 11:13:10
IchGucksLive
i woudt build nearly 2 mashines on price off one of them
2017-11-17 11:13:32
IchGucksLive
BOSCH Rexroth
2017-11-17 11:14:55
IchGucksLive
ok im off i got badly beaten today on YT as 45 Thumb downs
2017-11-17 11:15:02
IchGucksLive
last 24hr
2017-11-17 11:18:30
XXCoder
just read about NK solder who defected to south
2017-11-17 11:18:42
XXCoder
he was shot 6 times when he was trying to escake nk
2017-11-17 11:18:52
XXCoder
and he has massive amount of worm parastes :(
2017-11-17 11:23:48
gloops
poor fella
2017-11-17 11:24:06
XXCoder
yeah. NK in general isnt in good condition.
2017-11-17 11:24:24
XXCoder
usa is heading there
2017-11-17 11:24:40
XXCoder
they have included tax breaks into personal jet maintance taxes
2017-11-17 11:24:54
XXCoder
and cutting off internet access aid programs for poor
2017-11-17 11:25:11
XXCoder
internet is quite vital access nowdays
2017-11-17 12:31:10
monkeyisl
<IchGucksLive> monkeyis2: this is my advice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I00ArvYvZgI <-- this was a joke?... lol
2017-11-17 13:01:10
archivist
he sometimes does not realise what the user wants
2017-11-17 13:42:37
gregcnc
anyone happen to know what code a lathe chuck falls under in the US Harmonized tariff?
2017-11-17 14:05:10
jdh
scrap metal sounds good
2017-11-17 14:07:01
archivist
going to stand out when it goes through the xray
2017-11-17 14:08:40
gregcnc
jdh yeah doesn't work that way
2017-11-17 14:09:20
gregcnc
had to look it up fedex wouldn't clear it without a good enough description
2017-11-17 14:29:15
gloops
dont know, in the uk machinery and industrial equipment get taxed - i just got a bill from fedex
2017-11-17 14:29:38
gloops
only £20 - on a £200 order
2017-11-17 14:30:38
archivist
below a certain value, no tax
2017-11-17 14:33:52
gregcnc
seems like they will hit me for 3.7%
2017-11-17 14:35:12
gloops
also, these sbr bearing blocks are pretty crappy, seems to be at least 1 dodgy tapping on every one
2017-11-17 14:36:29
gregcnc
there is no scrap in China, it all sells
2017-11-17 14:37:13
archivist
I have seen false info on the green label from china
2017-11-17 14:38:40
gloops
you can mess about with them and sort them out, i dont know how people go on who are just really amateur diy with no tools and buy a kit to assemble
2017-11-17 14:39:34
archivist
we had a kit builder in here a while ago, he failed
2017-11-17 14:40:33
gloops
you need to know how to make it to put it right
2017-11-17 14:43:57
archivist
telling him to shim something was hard work
2017-11-17 14:47:36
_methods
that guy was so annoying
2017-11-17 14:47:43
_methods
had to block that clown
2017-11-17 14:48:08
_methods
come in here asking the same thing over and over for months
2017-11-17 14:48:28
miss0r
Who are we talking about here? I can't remember running into that guy
2017-11-17 14:48:43
_methods
polymoron
2017-11-17 14:48:47
_methods
or something like that
2017-11-17 14:48:52
miss0r
I guess the name says it all :)
2017-11-17 14:49:55
miss0r
I still have two VFDs laying around(3 phase 400 volts, 7,5kw). I'm giving them away
2017-11-17 14:50:53
gloops
what do you reckon to these - https://postimg.org/image/b1prlud9j/
2017-11-17 14:50:56
miss0r
I'd feel horrible throwing them out, but I don't have room for keeping all the stuff i don't want to throw out :]
2017-11-17 14:51:32
miss0r
I'm not even sure what i'm looking at. Some sort of linear bearings?
2017-11-17 14:51:36
FinboySlick
miss0r: Good on you to keep your hoarder tendencies in check. I find it quite difficult personally.
2017-11-17 14:51:57
FinboySlick
"Oh but I might need that in 15 years" is a bit of a constant nag in the back of my mind.
2017-11-17 14:52:01
gloops
https://postimg.org/image/dycsll8nb/
2017-11-17 14:52:02
miss0r
FinboySlick: Atleast i'm giving off the apearence that I am working on it :P
2017-11-17 14:52:10
gloops
yeah rollon linear slide
2017-11-17 14:52:40
miss0r
They don't look like they can handle too much force
2017-11-17 14:52:49
gloops
dont think they are intended for cutting machine use but they seem really solid
2017-11-17 14:53:05
gloops
deceiving, they are really heavy and sturdy
2017-11-17 14:53:13
miss0r
alright :]
2017-11-17 14:53:49
miss0r
Then use them for something like that then ?
2017-11-17 14:53:56
gloops
might be a question mark over accuracy i dunno
2017-11-17 14:54:01
miss0r
Don't be like me'n keep stuff you don't need ;)
2017-11-17 14:54:11
miss0r
you can always test that
2017-11-17 14:54:32
archivist
hoarding++
2017-11-17 14:54:33
gloops
its a bit of effort to test really though lol
2017-11-17 14:54:46
gloops
like, they need to be on the machine cutting
2017-11-17 14:55:22
miss0r
Or you could mount a dial indicator on the carriage and run it along a straightedge?
2017-11-17 14:55:23
gloops
suppose could clamp the rail and put some force on the slider see what gives
2017-11-17 14:55:40
gloops
yeah could do
2017-11-17 14:55:49
miss0r
yeah. Strain is one thing. I would just start by looking at linearity
2017-11-17 14:55:51
archivist
bolt a lever on one see if there is any play
2017-11-17 14:56:10
gloops
im sure they are straight enough for what i want, its if theres any give in the bearings really
2017-11-17 14:56:57
gloops
ill nip one up gently in the vice later and give it some lateral force
2017-11-17 14:57:00
miss0r
Sure. just keep in mind that inaccuracy is stackable.
2017-11-17 14:57:20
gloops
just wondered - Ichs said they were brilliant wondered if anyone else had seen them
2017-11-17 14:58:04
miss0r
I've never seen thoes before. but the design pretty much dictates some sort of cover for thoes rails. They could clog up fast
2017-11-17 14:58:55
miss0r
frek! I'm out of coffee beans!
2017-11-17 14:59:02
miss0r
I'll be back later
2017-11-17 14:59:23
gloops
theyve got wipers, hmm probably not be in the direct blast of any cutting theyre above it, maybe sort some kind of cover or shield
2017-11-17 15:02:03
gregcnc
miss0r ebay?
2017-11-17 15:02:10
archivist
he went
2017-11-17 15:03:28
gregcnc
duty or not, i'll be happy to have a jaw chuck for my lathe
2017-11-17 15:05:25
archivist
er all chucks have jaws, /me tries to parse
2017-11-17 15:06:05
gregcnc
but they aren't 95mm for 70mm spindles
2017-11-17 15:16:41
gloops
you can get a chuck with dogs
2017-11-17 15:17:29
gloops
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Adept-Super-Adept-lathe-1-3-4-diameter-3-jaw-dog-chuck/182895956026?
2017-11-17 15:17:38
gloops
hey thats not bad for 10 quid
2017-11-17 15:17:47
gregcnc
those must be for roughing
2017-11-17 15:18:43
gloops
independent 3 jaw
2017-11-17 15:19:48
gloops
or..3 dog heh
2017-11-17 15:20:06
archivist
adept was a low cost make from eons ago
2017-11-17 15:20:35
gregcnc
or for rough stock, tough crowd
2017-11-17 15:20:40
archivist
box chuck is better term for it
2017-11-17 15:20:46
gloops
it is a relatively very low cost way to make a chuck
2017-11-17 15:22:04
gregcnc
i'd like to see a cheaper chuck
2017-11-17 15:22:19
archivist
https://www.cousinsuk.com/product/lathe-box-chuck
2017-11-17 15:23:11
archivist
comes from a time when we make cheaper and nastier than china
2017-11-17 15:23:21
gloops
i made a steady a bit like that
2017-11-17 15:24:43
gloops
well, the old type lathe dog and pin is a very good way to turn between centres
2017-11-17 15:24:55
gloops
this idea isnt the same thing though
2017-11-17 15:26:20
archivist
http://www.lathes.co.uk/adept/img1.jpg
2017-11-17 15:26:58
gloops
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-ANTIQUE-LATHE-SUPER-ADEPT-WATCHMAKERS-JEWELLERS-GOOD-PROJECT-NO-MOTOR/282523075537?
2017-11-17 15:27:21
archivist
somebody flashed the cash https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Manual-Vertical-Milling-Machine/232559354135
2017-11-17 15:27:47
archivist
10 times over priced
2017-11-17 15:28:17
gloops
the old one is still at 100
2017-11-17 15:28:31
monkeyisl
what driver type should i choose for "RKD514L-A" stepdriver?
2017-11-17 15:29:11
monkeyisl
or.. i have to get params from datasheet
2017-11-17 15:29:39
gregcnc
best to check specs
2017-11-17 15:32:10
archivist
see page two of pdf
2017-11-17 15:32:30
archivist
one sets the current with a resistor
2017-11-17 15:33:27
monkeyisl
datasheet?
2017-11-17 15:33:59
archivist
they have two manuals/pdfs on site
2017-11-17 15:34:07
archivist
the connection one
2017-11-17 15:34:21
archivist
https://catalog.orientalmotor.com/item/all-categories/stepping-motor-drivers/rkd514l-a
2017-11-17 15:35:13
monkeyisl
cool
2017-11-17 15:35:18
archivist
will need to read the manual as well, not seen a rotation angle input before
2017-11-17 16:06:54
archivist
I wonder how round these are, to make a home brew CMM reference ball https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/372135109980
2017-11-17 16:09:37
cradek
archivist: I want to attach a cylinder of probably 2.00 or 3.00 or 4.00 mm diameter to one jaw of a micrometer for measuring mainspring thicknesses. do you have an idea what cylinder I could get?
2017-11-17 16:10:28
cradek
hm I guess I could just rezero it, if I don't find an integer number of mm
2017-11-17 16:10:50
skunkworks_
cradek, did you get your taper figured out?
2017-11-17 16:11:08
archivist
some mitutoyo have replaceable anvils
2017-11-17 16:11:21
cradek
skunkworks_: better yet, I found the original center
2017-11-17 16:11:32
skunkworks_
nice!
2017-11-17 16:11:35
archivist
but I generally bend flat and use my calipers
2017-11-17 16:11:42
cradek
http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/IMG_20171114_210824.jpg
2017-11-17 16:12:17
cradek
archivist: yeah some springs you can just squish flat, or modern ones even have a flat area
2017-11-17 16:12:32
cradek
skunkworks_: it was stuck in this tailstock-taper-matching collet!
2017-11-17 16:12:40
cradek
all along I thought they were one piece.
2017-11-17 16:13:38
cradek
starrett has a 5mm ball you can buy for a few bucks, but no cylinders
2017-11-17 16:13:41
skunkworks_
heh - been there...
2017-11-17 16:14:03
IchGucksLive
hi monkeyisl stil online
2017-11-17 16:15:01
IchGucksLive
monkeyisl: why do you use this OLD oriental drivers
2017-11-17 16:21:48
monkeyisl
IchGucksLive : hi, i bought i from local market.. cheap.
2017-11-17 16:21:55
monkeyisl
*it
2017-11-17 16:22:18
IchGucksLive
it got a a bad timing so many parameters
2017-11-17 16:22:22
monkeyisl
it was like 60 usd inc. the motor.
2017-11-17 16:22:38
IchGucksLive
where in the world are you
2017-11-17 16:22:48
IchGucksLive
Europ
2017-11-17 16:23:42
monkeyisl
bad timing? ... 5 phase driver shouldn't have bad timing.. should it?
2017-11-17 16:24:38
IchGucksLive
datasheet says 35000,35000,8000,8000
2017-11-17 16:24:41
gregcnc
cradek https://www.ebay.com/itm/112638223657
2017-11-17 16:25:00
IchGucksLive
monkeyisl: i call that a bad timming
2017-11-17 16:25:30
IchGucksLive
monkeyisl: the ODD tb6600 at 8USD does twice that value
2017-11-17 16:25:30
monkeyisl
IchGucksLive: oh what page you read it?
2017-11-17 16:25:54
IchGucksLive
the datasheet of the manufacter of your driver
2017-11-17 16:26:04
monkeyisl
yes imean what page?
2017-11-17 16:26:15
monkeyisl
http://www.orientalmotor.com/products/pdfs/opmanuals/HM-40029-4E.pdf of this
2017-11-17 16:26:28
IchGucksLive
there is a waveform on it
2017-11-17 16:26:33
monkeyisl
ahh
2017-11-17 16:26:52
archivist
cradek, uk version https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Moore-and-Wright-0-1-multi-anvil-uni-micrometer-number-970F/152760151062
2017-11-17 16:27:35
IchGucksLive
38+
2017-11-17 16:27:48
IchGucksLive
monkeyisl: 38+
2017-11-17 16:27:55
archivist
cradek, or a thread mic like http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/40132801-0-25MM-Screw-Thread-Measuring-Special-Sharp-Blade-Anvil-Micrometer/272724105852
2017-11-17 16:28:06
IchGucksLive
im off till later
2017-11-17 16:29:07
gregcnc
what was Ich getting at?
2017-11-17 16:29:08
cradek
those look awesome
2017-11-17 16:29:24
cradek
but I already have a spare 0-10 metric micrometer I just want to add a part to
2017-11-17 16:30:00
monkeyisl
ahh step on time means positive duty? and step space means negative duty? lol in NS? or what
2017-11-17 16:33:15
archivist
with drivers there are minimum times else they can miss steps
2017-11-17 16:33:19
monkeyisl
datasheet says 2.5us on , 2.5 us off
2017-11-17 16:33:44
monkeyisl
2.5us+ on , 2.5us+ off
2017-11-17 16:33:53
pcw_home
No step on time means active time (whether is high or low depends in the drive)
2017-11-17 16:33:54
archivist
just make times larger for safety
2017-11-17 16:34:14
monkeyisl
ahh ok.
2017-11-17 16:34:18
monkeyisl
but what's unit?
2017-11-17 16:34:29
monkeyisl
35000 and no unit
2017-11-17 16:34:54
archivist
no unit would be a reportable bug
2017-11-17 16:35:05
archivist
ns though
2017-11-17 16:35:16
pcw_home
as a rule of thumb I would double the minimum times unless it interferes with the required maximum step rate on your hardware
2017-11-17 16:35:25
monkeyisl
got it..
2017-11-17 16:35:57
pcw_home
in LinuxCNC most small time units are in nanoseconds
2017-11-17 16:36:15
pcw_home
so 35000 ns = 35 us
2017-11-17 16:36:54
monkeyisl
er?.. datasheet is saying 2.5us+ why he said 35us and and gone?
2017-11-17 16:37:02
monkeyisl
trolling? L
2017-11-17 16:37:32
gregcnc
just Ichs always in a hurry
2017-11-17 16:37:45
monkeyisl
k
2017-11-17 16:39:44
pcw_home
Also there's really no performance penalty in setting the direction setup and hold times quite long
2017-11-17 16:39:46
pcw_home
(since these only come into play when near 0 velocity and the step rate is very low)
2017-11-17 16:40:51
Loetmichel
*MAAAAN* Why me all the time? just got a call from my wife... "can you come home early today? the (natural gas) warm water boiler is off... and the neighbor already tried an hour, he cant restart it... so i went home a bit early from work, straight to the cellar. pressed the safety walve of the boiler, pressed the piezo: no starter flame... AND NO SPARK? followed the hot wire from the piezo
2017-11-17 16:40:51
Loetmichel
to the pilot nozzle: AHEM, that dosent work so good with the electrode on the floor instead of the silicone holder right next to the pilot nozzle... So i put the wire back where it belongs, hold the safety agein, pushed the piezo: *FUB* there is the pilot flame... 21..22..23..24..25.. let go of the safety, main valve on "operate" ... FFFFFFUMMMMPPP there it goes... Great job, vaillant... next
2017-11-17 16:40:51
Loetmichel
time use a better means of fixing that electrode so it can fall out just by gravity :-(
2017-11-17 16:40:59
gregcnc
accel reduces speed at reversal anyway
2017-11-17 16:56:51
monkeyisl
weird.
2017-11-17 16:57:35
monkeyisl
i've changed step-on, space, dir-hold,setup.. time like 10000 to 1000 to test. i don't see any difference on my scope...
2017-11-17 17:02:33
archivist
go bigger to see not smaller
2017-11-17 17:08:06
monkeyisl
oh
2017-11-17 17:08:49
monkeyisl
i input 10,000 for all values but it's set back to 5000 ... when i press test/tune axis..
2017-11-17 17:09:01
monkeyisl
btw motor is rotating though..
2017-11-17 17:09:25
JT-Shop
you have to save it first
2017-11-17 17:09:31
JT-Shop
IIRC
2017-11-17 17:09:50
monkeyisl
https://imgur.com/a/7HmFH
2017-11-17 17:09:54
monkeyisl
always 2.5us..
2017-11-17 17:10:20
monkeyisl
let me try
2017-11-17 17:17:00
monkeyisl
looks i have to save..
2017-11-17 17:17:17
monkeyisl
who coded this wizard?
2017-11-17 17:17:45
monkeyisl
right opensource i shoudn't complain.
2017-11-17 17:17:55
gloops
stepconfig?
2017-11-17 17:18:36
monkeyisl
pncconf
2017-11-17 17:18:48
gloops
oh, not used that
2017-11-17 17:19:09
gloops
stepconfig is v good i think i dont know how it could be made any easier
2017-11-17 17:19:51
monkeyisl
stepconfig is one of step of pncconf?
2017-11-17 17:20:33
gloops
what are you doing with pncconf?
2017-11-17 17:20:52
monkeyisl
it shows "Motor X"
2017-11-17 17:21:21
monkeyisl
so i think i'm playing with stepper
2017-11-17 17:21:33
gloops
cant open it on this pc to look, well not on this drive
2017-11-17 17:22:16
gloops
not really got the context of your machine or what youre trying to do monkey
2017-11-17 17:25:13
gregcnc
may help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QhrtteG1M4
2017-11-17 17:27:49
monkeyisl
cooll thanks bookmarked
2017-11-17 17:34:12
monkeyisl
JT-Shop : https://imgur.com/a/eN8Z4 why those guys are so HOT? i shouldn't say 40c is hot though.. just saying.
2017-11-17 17:40:05
JT-Shop
I have limited bandwidth I assume your speaking of a stepper?
2017-11-17 17:41:26
hazzy
Mesa card? Those are hot
2017-11-17 17:41:31
monkeyisl
JT-Shop : that's 7i76
2017-11-17 17:42:08
monkeyisl
i could just add fan.. not a problem :)
2017-11-17 17:43:07
hazzy
Yea, but they are not even wired up? Just sitting there, right? seems odd ...
2017-11-17 17:43:17
monkeyisl
nothing.
2017-11-17 17:43:27
monkeyisl
i have turned off step driver.
2017-11-17 17:43:31
monkeyisl
so it's nohting on it.
2017-11-17 17:43:38
hazzy
good afternoon chopper79
2017-11-17 17:43:43
monkeyisl
but resistors and some logic ic is getting hot..
2017-11-17 17:44:28
JT-Shop
monkeyisl: that doesn't sound right, I just touched my 7i77 and it is ambient temperature
2017-11-17 17:44:34
hazzy
Hm, my 7i76 stays stone cold.
2017-11-17 17:44:46
monkeyisl
i think i didn't set it all properly yet. so i'm gengerating some uselss signals.
2017-11-17 17:45:23
JT-Shop
pcw_home: would know if they should be hot or not
2017-11-17 17:47:02
monkeyisl
now it's getting cooled.
2017-11-17 17:47:56
monkeyisl
not high is 38.8
2017-11-17 17:48:25
monkeyisl
jt-shop ambient tempature doesn't sound right. btw it's obviously 30c+ cuz its ON.
2017-11-17 17:49:39
JT-Shop
yea mine is not running a servo just powered up
2017-11-17 17:51:47
hazzy
monkeyisl: all the chips on my 7i76 stay near ambient even when running the machine for several hours. There is a fan in the box, but is does not move much air, but maybe enough to make a difference
2017-11-17 17:52:38
monkeyisl
hazzy : have you measured it? or you're guessing
2017-11-17 17:53:48
hazzy
Used a fluke IR camera, so it might have been a fluke :)
2017-11-17 17:53:49
monkeyisl
btw 30~40 is nothing.
2017-11-17 17:54:25
monkeyisl
hazzy : oh, are you sing pcie5v?
2017-11-17 17:54:52
hazzy
monkeyisl: No
2017-11-17 17:55:25
hazzy
I have an external 5V supply
2017-11-17 17:55:29
monkeyisl
i'm using pcie5v lol probablay .. we found difference.
2017-11-17 17:55:42
hazzy
ah, that might be it
2017-11-17 17:57:45
Chopper79
hazzy: Thanks and same to you
2017-11-17 17:59:33
JT-Shop
Chopper79: what are you doing to blow up the 7i76E's
2017-11-17 18:01:30
Chopper79
JT-Shop: nothing that I know of. I ut my 7i77+7i92m into the machine all the same connections as far as field ower and 5v ower and no issue. Connected all the I/O and still no problem. Also ut in a 7i76+5i25 and no issue either.
2017-11-17 18:02:05
Chopper79
roblem is my key
2017-11-17 18:02:09
Chopper79
haha
2017-11-17 18:02:44
Chopper79
problem fixed now my P works
2017-11-17 18:04:47
Chopper79
So I am not sure at the moment. Just gonna throw more money at it I guess and also order the boards for the next 2 builds. I am going to send the 2 burnt ones back to Mesa to have them repair/replace after they inspect them.
2017-11-17 18:06:05
JT-Shop
yea just get a RMA from pcw_home before sending back
2017-11-17 18:06:09
IchGucksLive
hi
2017-11-17 18:07:00
monkeyisl
IchGucksLive : where did you get those number? i'm puzzled
2017-11-17 18:07:22
monkeyisl
datasheet says 2.5us+ for high / low
2017-11-17 18:07:49
IchGucksLive
on side 38 it says spacing for Dir is 2times 10us
2017-11-17 18:08:09
Chopper79
JT-Shop: I will and also thanks for shiiping so quick
2017-11-17 18:08:13
IchGucksLive
with a min offsaet of 2.5us per edge
2017-11-17 18:08:14
Chopper79
shiping
2017-11-17 18:08:16
Chopper79
p
2017-11-17 18:08:38
monkeyisl
35000 is 35us right?
2017-11-17 18:08:38
IchGucksLive
monkeyisl: also the step is on 2us + 2times min 2.5us
2017-11-17 18:08:43
IchGucksLive
yes
2017-11-17 18:08:46
JT-Shop
turn that keyboard upside down and blow it out lol
2017-11-17 18:09:31
IchGucksLive
so for save movement it is to go 35000,35000,8000,8000
2017-11-17 18:09:31
monkeyisl
IchGucksLive : we are talking about 1 pulse mode?
2017-11-17 18:09:39
IchGucksLive
yes
2017-11-17 18:10:07
IchGucksLive
if you are woring then go down till it gots stalled
2017-11-17 18:10:21
IchGucksLive
on workpice not clean air
2017-11-17 18:11:26
IchGucksLive
monkeyisl: im talking on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdvROAlCMMQ
2017-11-17 18:11:40
IchGucksLive
if it workses this it is ok
2017-11-17 18:12:05
IchGucksLive
on maybe 12000.12000.3000.3000
2017-11-17 18:12:33
Chopper79
Just did... Lets see if it helps
2017-11-17 18:20:38
monkeyisl
IchGucksLive : https://forum.linuxcnc.org/16-stepconf-wizard/31893-how-to-find-the-driver-timing
2017-11-17 18:20:56
IchGucksLive
up to you
2017-11-17 18:25:24
monkeyisl
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/9d99a308bc59d1efb72c19535eace818cb4e51c9/src/hal/components/stepgen.c
2017-11-17 18:25:30
monkeyisl
there is come clue
2017-11-17 18:26:11
IchGucksLive
monkeyisl: did you see movement at all
2017-11-17 18:26:26
monkeyisl
i'm not ready to see it yet.
2017-11-17 18:26:48
monkeyisl
i just moved 1 stepper. so i have to waste more time to set up all stystem. probbly not goning to happen within a week.
2017-11-17 18:27:08
monkeyisl
i've just seen if my PC works.
2017-11-17 18:27:12
IchGucksLive
are you in america
2017-11-17 18:27:26
monkeyisl
nope, asia
2017-11-17 18:27:53
IchGucksLive
how big is yur mashine
2017-11-17 18:28:09
pcw_mesa
warm is normal for the parts shown (26LS32 and termination resistors)
2017-11-17 18:28:21
monkeyisl
pcw_mesa : ok.
2017-11-17 18:30:01
pcw_mesa
nominal 26LS32 power is 250 mW
2017-11-17 18:33:56
pcw_mesa
so nominal ~23C above ambient at ~90 c/w
2017-11-17 18:34:52
monkeyisl
IchGucksLive : 370 500
2017-11-17 18:35:59
monkeyisl
pcw_mesa : how much pcie5v current could i expect? have you measured?
2017-11-17 18:36:26
monkeyisl
so there ie ptc. k
2017-11-17 18:37:05
monkeyisl
nayway i don't know 26LS32 hit 40c+ on my setup.( i set nothing. )
2017-11-17 18:38:11
monkeyisl
coordnate is U2
2017-11-17 18:38:11
pcw_mesa
It has nothing to do with your settings, the 26LS32 draws about 50 mA idle
2017-11-17 18:38:32
monkeyisl
lol i see
2017-11-17 18:39:23
pcw_mesa
26LS31 also draws significant idle current
2017-11-17 18:52:57
rene-dev
pcw_mesa: Do you have a 7i92_7i74 firmware? I need the 7i74 on P2
2017-11-17 18:54:08
pcw_mesa
I probably have the pinout file if not a bitfile
2017-11-17 18:54:31
rene-dev
bitfile would be better :)
2017-11-17 18:55:00
pcw_mesa
anything on P1? (not sure if 2x 7I74 will fit)
2017-11-17 18:55:37
rene-dev
no... if 2x 7i74 fits would be better, but no need
2017-11-17 18:56:07
pcw_mesa
let me poke around and see what Ive got...
2017-11-17 18:56:25
rene-dev
thanks
2017-11-17 18:58:39
rene-dev
someone (not me) hooked up the 5v back to front, now P1 stopped working, but P2 is ok
2017-11-17 18:59:00
rene-dev
looks like one of the buffers died
2017-11-17 18:59:18
rene-dev
cr5 was smoking
2017-11-17 19:03:27
pcw_mesa
Oww!
2017-11-17 19:04:00
rene-dev
is cr5 just reverse polarity protection?
2017-11-17 19:04:10
pcw_mesa
yes
2017-11-17 19:04:44
pcw_mesa
helps with wimpy supplies only though
2017-11-17 19:05:12
rene-dev
fpga works, and I can flash it. anything I hook up to P2 also works fine. it seems to have only toasted P1
2017-11-17 19:05:39
pcw_mesa
probably the bus switch part
2017-11-17 19:06:33
pcw_mesa
thats also what goes if you put say 12V on the 5V pin
2017-11-17 19:08:13
pcw_mesa
looks like 2x 7i74 will fit but it will take a while since its tight (note that P1 = sserial port 1 )
2017-11-17 19:08:52
pcw_mesa
( P2 being sserial port 0 )
2017-11-17 19:10:26
IchGucksLive
pcw_mesa: i can get 3 encoders A-B I from heidenhain this are SIN not rectengular is there any way to read them with a 7i76
2017-11-17 19:11:45
rene-dev
ok
2017-11-17 19:11:48
pcw_mesa
You need an interpolator ( Heidenhain EXE box or IC-Haus demo board )
2017-11-17 19:11:49
rene-dev
thanks :)
2017-11-17 19:11:56
rene-dev
IchGucksLive: or stmbl ;D
2017-11-17 19:16:53
IchGucksLive
70 euros and homemade
2017-11-17 19:17:04
IchGucksLive
i think i go with a homemade atmel48
2017-11-17 19:17:22
IchGucksLive
give it a try
2017-11-17 19:17:30
IchGucksLive
with a mcp602
2017-11-17 19:17:44
rene-dev
pcw_mesa: while you at it, could you do the same for a 5i25?
2017-11-17 19:19:57
rene-dev
IchGucksLive: you cant make a proper interpolator with an atmel48
2017-11-17 19:23:46
pcw_mesa
Oops doesn't fit, close enough it tried to route but failed
2017-11-17 19:24:10
rene-dev
ok, nevermind, 8 sserial channels are plenty.
2017-11-17 19:26:16
Chopper79
Need to find a good used D1-11 cam lock 15" chuck for my Alpha retro I am doing here shortly. Anybody have any good recommendations on companies that have treated you good for parts like this?
2017-11-17 19:27:20
JT-Shop
I've gotten a few Bison chucks made in Poland
2017-11-17 19:27:56
JT-Shop
I got them from MSC
2017-11-17 19:28:55
Chopper79
Have to check msc out and see what they have.
2017-11-17 19:29:02
Chopper79
Thanks
2017-11-17 19:30:14
Chopper79
Could go up to a 21" chuck but that may be overkill for me. Excited about the 3.5" spindle bore and the 80" between centers though.
2017-11-17 19:30:22
JT-Shop
I have a 4 jaw D1-8 10" on my Samson
2017-11-17 19:31:55
pcw_mesa
rene-dev: the 5I25 7I74X2 config is in 5i25.zip
2017-11-17 19:32:12
rene-dev
ah, ok
2017-11-17 19:33:58
Chopper79
If I went with the 21" I would need to put a chuck inside of a chuck to make small parts. Not sure how comfortable I am with that. Seen it done many times though.
2017-11-17 19:34:18
rene-dev
can you still build the 7i92_7i74?
2017-11-17 19:34:38
JT-Shop
I have a 5C collet chuck for small parts that I chuck up and center in the 4 jaw
2017-11-17 19:34:46
Chopper79
Link?
2017-11-17 19:34:59
rene-dev
ah, is it the same fpga, but the ethernet takes more space than the pci?
2017-11-17 19:35:45
rene-dev
BTW, it was only a wimpy 16A supply :D
2017-11-17 19:40:02
gloops
anyone in uk need a cheap nema34 with driver - 12nM
2017-11-17 19:42:16
pcw_mesa
rene-dev: working on it, had to lower my expectations...
2017-11-17 19:43:51
IchGucksLive
Gn8
2017-11-17 19:44:12
pcw_mesa
you coule probably do 2x 7I74 with just 4 or 6 channels on the second 7I74, but I dont want to play around with that ATM
2017-11-17 19:45:18
rene-dev
no need, 8 channels are ok
2017-11-17 19:46:06
Contract_Pilot
Sitting here thinking Grids on the windows seem like bars = jail
2017-11-17 19:47:16
pcw_mesa
http://freeby.mesanet.com/7i92_7i74x1dr.bit
2017-11-17 19:48:41
pcw_mesa
I usually use a USB power thief for the 7I92, hard to break anything with 500 ma
2017-11-17 19:50:11
Chopper79
Gotta run... have a good one everybody.
2017-11-17 19:51:24
rene-dev
thanks :)
2017-11-17 19:54:47
rene-dev
pcw_mesa: hmm, readhmid reports all channels on P1
2017-11-17 20:10:43
pcw_mesa
oops got so involved in getting it to fit, I forgot what you wanted
2017-11-17 20:13:48
pcw_mesa
http://freeby.mesanet.com/7i92_7i74x1d.bit
2017-11-17 20:30:22
rene-dev
pcw_mesa: thanks, working :)
2017-11-17 20:53:20
Connor
So, getting a DRO for my mill. 4 Axis.. It has X Y Z as expected.. and K (assuming for Knee) but, it also has another to the right called W any thoughts as to why it would have 5 buttons and only 4 read outs ?
2017-11-17 21:12:35
gloops
i dont know anything about it, but maybe because you can only run one or the other axis at one time?
2017-11-17 21:15:51
sync
Connor: quill
2017-11-17 21:56:32
Deejay
gn8
2017-11-17 22:42:46
Connor
sync: I would think K for the Knee and Z for the quill
2017-11-17 22:49:20
djdelorie
and W for the whatchamacallits
2017-11-17 22:50:19
sync
Connor: what if your quill is not in the Z plane?
2017-11-17 22:50:28
sync
think HBM
2017-11-17 22:53:48
Connor
sync: This is the one I'm getting. http://www.tpactools.com/4-AXIS-DRO-DIGTAL-READOUT-BRIDGEPORT-MILL-PACKAGE-ALL-4-GLASS-SCALES_p_55.html
2017-11-17 22:54:38
Connor
and the W is on the far side.. I'm going to set it up so that K is for the Knee and Z is the quill.. At least.. I think that's how I should set it up..
2017-11-17 22:56:59
Roguish
connor: hey, TPACTOOLS is ok, i've purchased from them.
2017-11-17 22:57:40
gregcnc
Turns out they are at the same address as CDCO
2017-11-17 22:58:24
Connor
Roguish: They're on eBay (which is how I found them) charge an extra $25.00 for the same unit on ebay.. I ALWAYS search for a normal online store before buying from ebay.. for that very reason.
2017-11-17 22:59:47
JT-Shop
hey Roguish
2017-11-17 23:00:23
Roguish
I've dealt direct. really helped. took an exchange for a mis-order
2017-11-17 23:00:25
Connor
gregcnc: Where did you find there address? I'll I see is ships from Chicago
2017-11-17 23:00:36
gregcnc
no address on the site, no manuals just proves how hungry people are for stuff
2017-11-17 23:00:46
gregcnc
google
2017-11-17 23:01:13
Connor
He sent me a pdf of the manual in email. :)
2017-11-17 23:01:28
JT-Shop
Roguish: one of my customers just called and said I will be paying a lot of taxes next year :)
2017-11-17 23:01:45
MarcelineVQ
JT-Shop: omy
2017-11-17 23:01:46
Roguish
hey, i dont
2017-11-17 23:02:41
Roguish
i don't mind paying taxes. means i made some money. just not always happy with the poor value for my tax dollars....
2017-11-17 23:03:12
JT-Shop
yep I'm the same way if I have to pay I made money and put some away
2017-11-17 23:04:36
MarcelineVQ
Connor: according to http://www.thedrostore.com/details-promo-4iset.htm the other LCD strip is just for info. possibly there's an option to add another scale, given that the W looks the same as the other axis, dunno
2017-11-17 23:04:46
Roguish
JT-Shop: hey, chef, what's on the menu for Thanksgiving dinner?
2017-11-17 23:04:53
MarcelineVQ
e.g. "4 LED 8 Segment display for X,Y,Z,U Axis" "1 LED display for information/help display"
2017-11-17 23:05:55
JT-Shop
dunno we are going with the old fart biker gang to Branson on Thanksgiving day and spending the weekend there
2017-11-17 23:06:03
JT-Shop
I drive the party van lol
2017-11-17 23:06:35
Roguish
think safety when driving on a holiday.
2017-11-17 23:07:59
JT-Shop
of course
2017-11-17 23:20:38
JT-Shop
chickens are all on the roost and wife just got home so time to retire for the night
2017-11-18 00:42:23
chopper79
off topic but I got some ducks hatching.....Eventful night of machining and ducks hatching.
2017-11-18 01:11:50
skunkworks_
Connor, long time no see
2017-11-18 01:38:36
R2E4
evening, morning, afternoon, think I got it covered....
2017-11-18 01:58:53
hazzy
evening R2E4 :)
2017-11-18 04:41:48
Connor
Hey skunkworks_ Yea.. I troll allot.. not said very much in a long while.
2017-11-18 04:42:04
Connor
err.. lurk.. not troll.
2017-11-18 04:46:05
tiwake
such troll
2017-11-18 04:46:26
tiwake
lurking so much you forget the difference between troll and lurk
2017-11-18 05:30:18
hazzy
hazzy's VKB is looking better: https://i.imgur.com/EDZTeqY.png
2017-11-18 05:37:47
hazzy
gn8
2017-11-18 05:48:30
chopper79
sweet
2017-11-18 05:50:08
chopper79
Fun time tuning servos tonight. Nice when you have 12" of travel on your Z axis and the rapids are 450ipm. Think I might turn it down to 300ipm as its pretty scary at 450ipm in a 12" span.
2017-11-18 05:51:20
chopper79
60sec/sec on acceleration.
2017-11-18 05:53:23
MarcelineVQ
you'll shoot your eye out
2017-11-18 05:56:27
gloops
gloops wants servos
2017-11-18 05:59:45
chopper79
butt cheeks were tight for sure.....
2017-11-18 06:00:38
chopper79
X and Y are on target for 1000ipm over 60" travel distance.
2017-11-18 06:00:57
chopper79
Not bad for a router ;)
2017-11-18 06:01:28
chopper79
same accel values
2017-11-18 06:04:05
gloops
thats fast
2017-11-18 06:04:07
chopper79
Z axis will be set for 300ipm with 30s/s accel and I will drop the X and Y to about 700ipm with 30s/s accel values. Keep some wear off the mechanics
2017-11-18 06:04:43
chopper79
Not seeing much of a need for 60s/s accel values at all. Just break stuff faster I would think.
2017-11-18 06:04:52
gloops
any pics of the machine chopper?
2017-11-18 06:05:24
chopper79
Not yet as it is a new product for me and not ready to release pics yet ...sorry I am kinda odd like that.
2017-11-18 06:05:31
gloops
yeah there are other limiting factors, tool deflection and so on
2017-11-18 06:05:42
gloops
no worries im the same haha
2017-11-18 06:07:10
chopper79
All structural steel parts, hiwin rails and ballscrews, water cooled spindle w/cooling system, mpg, auto tool touch off, etc. Nice machine for sure and want to make it a turn key all done ready to rock and roll package.
2017-11-18 06:08:05
chopper79
Welded frame and had it stress relieved and then machined it on large horizontal in one setup.
2017-11-18 06:08:14
gloops
well thats how to do it, i think the trap with this is to start off crappy then get caught up in a cycle of constantly improving rebuilding the machine till its ok
2017-11-18 06:08:43
gloops
ends up wasting loads of time and costing more than doing it right first time
2017-11-18 06:09:33
chopper79
I agree.... I started my business idea based ona previous business model and about half way through the first build I sat had a beer and decided to be true to my vision. Now tha one sits and collects dust not finished and went with my gut
2017-11-18 06:10:51
chopper79
First one was extrusion based with lead screws and steppers. Nothing wrong with that, but it did not fit my business model after I decided to run with my own vision.
2017-11-18 06:12:52
gloops
yes, i dont pretend to talk from experience, but the successful people ive known have been like that
2017-11-18 06:14:19
chopper79
Hard telling if my vision will work, but I will not sell myself out just to earn a buck. I have to be proud and truely stand behind my stuff so it better be what I want it to be....haha
2017-11-18 06:14:20
gloops
implementing half a good idea usually doesnt work
2017-11-18 06:17:54
gloops
it will work, $250 an hour so they tell me - for cnc router contracting in the usa
2017-11-18 06:19:23
chopper79
Hope so... Well I have to hit the sack. Tons to do this weekend trying to get all the odds and ends finished. Have a good one!!
2017-11-18 06:21:41
gloops
adios
2017-11-18 06:58:26
IchGucksLive
morning from cloudy germany
2017-11-18 07:10:11
gloops
howdy
2017-11-18 07:10:24
IchGucksLive
;-)
2017-11-18 07:10:48
IchGucksLive
Hyanyang conected me on the video and woudt like to set a add
2017-11-18 07:14:54
gloops
should be in for some commission then Ichs
2017-11-18 07:15:02
gloops
some freebies maybe
2017-11-18 07:22:43
miss0r
Mornin'
2017-11-18 07:34:04
gloops
just playing with voronoi patterns, blender and meshlab, blender - https://postimg.org/image/c6y2llwwl/ meshlab - https://postimg.org/image/3pykaaf8l/
2017-11-18 07:36:53
gloops
could cut that with 3 axis, if you flipped it, something in these im sure, with some neon light strips or something
2017-11-18 07:40:55
miss0r
What the hell am I looking at?
2017-11-18 07:42:59
IchGucksLive
gloops: what whoudt that be for
2017-11-18 07:44:11
gloops
use your imagination lol
2017-11-18 07:46:22
miss0r
as it: 'it can be whatever you want it to be' or 'it has a real purpose, try'n guess it' ?
2017-11-18 07:46:52
gloops
not a particularly good pattern, you can vary the number of holes, to have much closer knit maybe
2017-11-18 07:47:04
gloops
it is popular in some artistic fields
2017-11-18 07:47:17
IchGucksLive
this University face mesh tool is cool
2017-11-18 07:47:22
IchGucksLive
http://cvl-demos.cs.nott.ac.uk/vrn/
2017-11-18 07:48:03
IchGucksLive
its also a free github
2017-11-18 07:48:41
IchGucksLive
https://github.com/AaronJackson/vrn
2017-11-18 07:49:48
gloops
well, you can make depth maps from greyscale with 'some' success
2017-11-18 07:51:14
gloops
miss0r wall art, cabinets, mirrors all kinds of stuff that people buy
2017-11-18 07:51:39
miss0r
I'm not sure I like these 'people' you speak of :]
2017-11-18 07:56:27
gloops
you could mill an alu coffee table out of half a tonne of ally
2017-11-18 07:57:17
gloops
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/aa/d8/f5/aad8f5e87ed1c85b15222ffef73b62ec.jpg
2017-11-18 07:58:21
miss0r
Now thats a pretty cool idea
2017-11-18 07:58:33
miss0r
With my mill its gonna be a somewhat small table, thou :]
2017-11-18 07:59:20
Deejay
moin
2017-11-18 07:59:31
miss0r
mornin'
2017-11-18 07:59:44
miss0r
What are you up to?
2017-11-18 08:04:32
archivist
wasting time of irc :)
2017-11-18 08:04:38
archivist
of/on
2017-11-18 08:04:53
miss0r
Thats what I do at the moment. Waiting for a customer to show up
2017-11-18 08:09:45
miss0r
I had an awfull idea this morning in the shower - Make some of the kids BRIO trains in aluminium on the mill, so he wouldn't be able to break them all the time. I was standing there marveling in my own genious for a few seconds, until it occured to me, that thoes train would just break the all surfaces it came into contact with instead, i.e. floor, wall, window, tables ect. so I discarted the idea
2017-11-18 08:10:35
archivist
make in rubber
2017-11-18 08:10:41
gloops
or plastic
2017-11-18 08:11:04
miss0r
the original are made of pretty high quality wood & plastic. that that does not stand up to his abuse
2017-11-18 08:11:09
gloops
gloops realises that hpc pulleys make a machine look like chitty chitty bang bang
2017-11-18 08:11:38
miss0r
gloops: Thats a one way ticked to that notorius generic chinesium look
2017-11-18 08:12:07
miss0r
archivist: Hmm. Perhaps I could super chill rubber and then mill it
2017-11-18 08:12:48
gloops
well ill go with it miss0r, ill just add some eyebrows to them
2017-11-18 08:12:57
archivist
miss0r, we had rollers made, they do freeze then machine even grind
2017-11-18 08:13:19
gloops
i need some planer rollers re-rubbering
2017-11-18 08:13:33
miss0r
gloops: Why not use aluminium? it has alot of advantages + its easier to machine
2017-11-18 08:13:35
gloops
beyond diy i think
2017-11-18 08:13:55
miss0r
archivist: Even grind... heh I would have never thought
2017-11-18 08:14:17
gloops
missor doesnt work on wood - would slip, theyre steel rollers with rubber surface, worn out, theyre pretty expensive
2017-11-18 08:14:50
miss0r
ahh. indeed.
2017-11-18 08:14:55
gloops
wondered if some rubber tube could be used to sleeve them, probably some cheap hacks on youtube
2017-11-18 08:15:02
miss0r
miss0r is wondering if you can make a light gnarling pattern in them
2017-11-18 08:15:14
miss0r
That way you could almost have it work as a rack and pinion
2017-11-18 08:15:24
archivist
miss0r, I have seen wood grinding at a fishing float maker
2017-11-18 08:15:54
miss0r
I can understand that. but grinding frozen rubber... thats has me baffled
2017-11-18 08:15:57
gloops
you could, we once made some nylon rollers, they slipped, so knurled them, still slipped but also marked the wood
2017-11-18 08:16:27
gloops
anyway dont need them right away
2017-11-18 08:16:34
miss0r
but HPC will surely slip then?
2017-11-18 08:17:26
miss0r
gloops: what about casting some urethane rubber on thoes original rollers?
2017-11-18 08:17:27
gloops
hpc is the brand of some timing pulleys im looking at
2017-11-18 08:17:48
miss0r
miss0r is mixing stuff together now :]
2017-11-18 08:18:29
gloops
that might work miss0r, ive got some vinamold runner but its very soft, i think they do harder versions
2017-11-18 08:18:41
gloops
vinamold rubber
2017-11-18 08:18:48
miss0r
they do a whole range of that stuff.
2017-11-18 08:18:57
gloops
the stuff on the original rollers is like car tyre rubber
2017-11-18 08:18:58
miss0r
I've only ever looked at it, thou
2017-11-18 08:19:33
gloops
its ok, its no match for silicone though
2017-11-18 08:20:31
miss0r
hmm.. well traction wise I would agree. But urethane rubber is more wear proof
2017-11-18 08:21:23
gloops
i might look at some way of doing that
2017-11-18 08:21:27
miss0r
silicone is very flexible. but it tends to rip under stress if theres even a small crack
2017-11-18 08:22:33
gloops
it would need to be pretty hard, planer blade hacking at the wood, with soft rubber it would just chuck the wood back at it
2017-11-18 08:22:52
gloops
i dunno though it might work
2017-11-18 08:23:11
miss0r
I was thinking medium density urethane rubber. but only a 1mm thick layer (to reduce flexibility)
2017-11-18 08:23:33
IchGucksLive
till later
2017-11-18 08:26:11
gloops
that idea of freezing the rubber is good though, maybe i could get a thicker layer on rough, and turn it down, would be a pain getting a precise thin layer on
2017-11-18 08:27:15
miss0r
I was thinking you could make a mold of aluminium, with a centering pin inside it. and just spray it with mold release. That would make a pretty precise layer
2017-11-18 08:27:32
miss0r
As I understand it, you can mix it to be very easy flowing
2017-11-18 08:28:25
miss0r
What is the application anyway? :)
2017-11-18 08:28:41
gloops
planer thicknesser
2017-11-18 08:29:13
miss0r
hmm... So would it even matter if the rubber cast is off my a few 1/10 mm ?
2017-11-18 08:29:17
gloops
two roller take the wood through the planer, the rollers have some pretty strong springs pulling them into the wood
2017-11-18 08:29:52
gloops
it would matter for anything to do with the accuracy of the cutting, the rollers press the wood onto a machine table
2017-11-18 08:29:57
gloops
wouldnt matter
2017-11-18 08:30:04
gloops
it might matter for traction
2017-11-18 08:30:19
miss0r
hmm.. What are the dimentions of thoes rollers?
2017-11-18 08:31:35
gloops
https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrIQcqH8A9auRgAm1J3Bwx.?
2017-11-18 08:31:54
gloops
https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrIQcqH8A9auRgAm1J3Bwx.?p=planer+thicknesser+rubber+rollers&fr=yhs-ddc-linuxmint&fr2=piv-web&hspart=ddc&hsimp=yhs-linuxmint&type=__alt__ddc_linuxmint_com#id=9&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.felder-group.co.uk%2Fassets%2Fmachines%2Ftooltips%2F20fcdcdaa56f24f8b6fc8054db80dde3.jpg&action=click
2017-11-18 08:32:16
gloops
about 14 inch long 50mm diamter
2017-11-18 08:32:20
miss0r
hmm. I see. That would be a pretty massive mold
2017-11-18 08:32:41
miss0r
I would probally go with a rough cast and some turning it down too
2017-11-18 08:32:53
gloops
ok heres the good link lol https://gb.felder-group.com/assets/machines/tooltips/20fcdcdaa56f24f8b6fc8054db80dde3.jpg
2017-11-18 08:33:14
miss0r
Your second link worked as well
2017-11-18 08:34:13
miss0r
Thinking about it, I would probally invest the time it would take to build a two part mold, and pour the cast into it
2017-11-18 08:37:13
gloops
well its an old problem with woodworking people, i know lots of things have been tried, its a pretty demanding diy fix
2017-11-18 08:37:50
miss0r
Do you have the machinery to build this mold?
2017-11-18 08:38:15
miss0r
You could even sell your services as a roller refurbisher afterwards :)
2017-11-18 08:38:21
gloops
i think it would be a challenge lol
2017-11-18 08:39:04
gloops
my lathe has got the capacity, but boring 14 inch...nah
2017-11-18 08:39:14
gloops
could maybe make one on the router when its done
2017-11-18 08:39:24
miss0r
What do you have milling wise?
2017-11-18 08:39:43
gloops
nothing to do that - cnc router might cut it, the new one
2017-11-18 08:39:59
archivist
11 inch bore was real fun...not
2017-11-18 08:40:03
miss0r
off thought here: You could make the mold out of wood. Use a 50mm diameter ball cutter
2017-11-18 08:40:20
miss0r
and make two halfs, and then just make two end plates
2017-11-18 08:41:05
archivist
I had to use drills and reamers to get the depth http://www.collection.archivist.info/thumbs/archive/DJCPD/PD/2006/2006_09_07_pendulum/P9072701_T.JPG
2017-11-18 08:41:08
gloops
cant really think of any accurate pipes or tubes with internal accuracy
2017-11-18 08:41:31
miss0r
gloops: Well, sewage pipe will put you pretty close?
2017-11-18 08:41:57
miss0r
archivist: Bleh. That doesn't even sound funny
2017-11-18 08:42:03
gloops
plastic pipe maybe, these extrusions arent bad - doesnt need to be that accurate
2017-11-18 08:42:37
gloops
thats pretty good work archivist
2017-11-18 08:42:38
miss0r
if you can center the raw steel roller inside a plastic pipe, I think it could work actualy
2017-11-18 08:43:09
archivist
gloops that is cast iron :)
2017-11-18 08:43:18
gloops
but then get back to - what rubber tubes could be pulled over the steel shaft - job done
2017-11-18 08:43:30
miss0r
archivist: Wow. Thats a beautiful finish on CI
2017-11-18 08:43:44
archivist
rubber hose
2017-11-18 08:43:48
miss0r
gloops: Interresting
2017-11-18 08:44:07
miss0r
That could work if you can find some glue that can bond the two together properly, otherwise I don't think it will last very long
2017-11-18 08:44:14
gloops
usually reinforced at 2 inch
2017-11-18 08:44:34
miss0r
yeah, but you don't want to..?
2017-11-18 08:44:41
gloops
water baggings on cars
2017-11-18 08:44:43
miss0r
to=that
2017-11-18 08:45:11
gloops
reinforced is going to be difficult to stretch on anything
2017-11-18 08:45:28
miss0r
indeed
2017-11-18 08:45:51
miss0r
If you can find an unreinforced rubber hose that is slightly smaller than your OD of the roller- you are golden
2017-11-18 08:45:53
gloops
probably if googled rubber hose suppliers would find something
2017-11-18 08:46:24
archivist
there is a local hose maker
2017-11-18 08:46:42
miss0r
We have a local supplier here in Denmark. They can get _ANYTHING_ from rubber/plastics/foam ect. if it exists, they'll know about it
2017-11-18 08:46:58
archivist
http://derbyperformancehose.co.uk/
2017-11-18 08:47:03
gloops
would pay me to do some research
2017-11-18 08:47:20
miss0r
http://www.skdk.dk/
2017-11-18 08:47:28
miss0r
(in danish, but google translate will help you)
2017-11-18 08:47:38
archivist
I just had some made for my generator
2017-11-18 08:47:48
miss0r
"We stock everything in technical rubber, hoses and hydraulics"
2017-11-18 08:48:12
gloops
https://dphsiliconehose.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=41&product_id=171
2017-11-18 08:49:06
miss0r
But that is reinforced.
2017-11-18 08:49:10
miss0r
What ID do you need?
2017-11-18 08:49:52
miss0r
I just had a scary idea...
2017-11-18 08:50:10
miss0r
What about shrink wrap, the ones with glue inside.
2017-11-18 08:50:16
gloops
not measured tbh its about 50mm, would have to cut some of the old rubber off
2017-11-18 08:50:20
XXCoder
nboooo
2017-11-18 08:50:24
archivist
they wind around a former so any size is possible if you provide the former
2017-11-18 08:50:37
miss0r
XXCoder: what ? :)
2017-11-18 08:50:50
XXCoder
just random lol whats up
2017-11-18 08:50:57
gloops
some rubber on steel rollers archivist? how much if you dont mind me asking?
2017-11-18 08:50:58
miss0r
you can get 'flexible' shrinkwrap, means for flexible rubber cables. That might just work
2017-11-18 08:51:27
XXCoder
just got home from working overtime
2017-11-18 08:51:38
miss0r
XXCoder: We are brainstorming replacing the rubber on some rollers gloops uses
2017-11-18 08:52:00
gloops
well some food for thought for when i tackle that job, time to make some noise now bbl
2017-11-18 08:52:32
miss0r
gloops: I'VE GOT IT !
2017-11-18 08:53:34
miss0r
Cold crimp tubes. basically its elastic rubber stretched over a nylon spiral, you pull our
2017-11-18 08:53:36
miss0r
out*
2017-11-18 08:53:40
miss0r
miss0r will find link
2017-11-18 08:53:56
XXCoder
ny pics of rollers?
2017-11-18 08:54:06
miss0r
This: http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/542305P/3m-cold-shrink-tubes-silicone-tif.jpg
2017-11-18 08:54:12
miss0r
That is silicone rubber
2017-11-18 08:56:32
miss0r
gloops: EDPM rubber. maximum 49.3mm, will reduce until 24.0mm. and it measures 13.8" in length
2017-11-18 08:56:45
miss0r
It will only set you back 8£ a pop
2017-11-18 08:56:59
miss0r
I realy feel that is worth a shot
2017-11-18 08:57:18
archivist
he vanished and did not leave his client on!
2017-11-18 08:57:43
miss0r
oh...
2017-11-18 08:57:47
miss0r
I missed that part
2017-11-18 08:57:56
miss0r
I still think I've had a stroke of brilliance
2017-11-18 08:58:20
XXCoder
yeah he did say bye basically
2017-11-18 08:58:25
miss0r
That customer of mine will show up any moment. Will you relay what I wrote to him if he pops back in, and i'm not here
2017-11-18 08:58:31
XXCoder
"time to make noise now bbl"
2017-11-18 08:58:37
miss0r
I completely missed that :]
2017-11-18 08:58:49
XXCoder
me too but then I was reading one site
2017-11-18 08:59:11
miss0r
I just had one of thoes 'great idea blackouts' :D
2017-11-18 08:59:34
XXCoder
:)
2017-11-18 09:00:58
miss0r
Once that customer of mine has left, I can get back to doing my quick tool change post for the lathe
2017-11-18 09:01:08
miss0r
I have been putting it off for too long now
2017-11-18 09:08:36
XXCoder
miss0r: if client arent here yet check this out https://youtu.be/_FWP23X7JE4
2017-11-18 10:15:18
XXCoder
hey JT-Shop whats your mach url
2017-11-18 10:45:40
jthornton
morning
2017-11-18 10:46:02
XXCoder
hey jthornton
2017-11-18 10:46:16
XXCoder
wheres your mach board website heh
2017-11-18 10:46:35
jthornton
mach?
2017-11-18 10:46:44
XXCoder
did I misremember name?
2017-11-18 10:46:51
archivist
he is not infected
2017-11-18 10:46:53
XXCoder
board to control a cnc machine
2017-11-18 10:47:07
jthornton
mesaus.com
2017-11-18 10:47:13
XXCoder
ah yes mesa
2017-11-18 10:47:33
XXCoder
thanks. doubtful but you might get customer heh
2017-11-18 10:47:51
jthornton
every little bit helps :)
2017-11-18 11:38:32
jthornton
jthornton studies how to make fodder
2017-11-18 12:38:40
jthornton
looks like I've been doing it wrong as the rpi.GPIO has edge detection events which would work much better for the chicken door I think
2017-11-18 12:46:13
archivist
edge may see noise that level may well ignore
2017-11-18 13:01:49
JT-Shop
could be possible if one was using a physical input...
2017-11-18 13:09:36
SpeedEvil
https://i2.wp.com/www.moco-choco.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/the-most-bizarre-old-timey-inventions-beauty-micrometer.jpg On the topic of metrology
2017-11-18 13:47:09
monkeyisl
how do i test if my spindle works?
2017-11-18 13:48:24
monkeyisl
i'm on 7i76, so i'm using spindle-, spindle+, spindle_out
2017-11-18 13:48:59
monkeyisl
spindle_out pin is DAC?
2017-11-18 13:49:33
monkeyisl
or pwm to simulate analogoutput?
2017-11-18 13:50:06
archivist
usually pwm to simulate
2017-11-18 13:50:43
monkeyisl
ahh.. .. got it
2017-11-18 13:59:13
IchGucksLive
hi
2017-11-18 14:00:17
monkeyisl
hi
2017-11-18 14:00:32
IchGucksLive
;-)
2017-11-18 14:00:41
IchGucksLive
monkeyisl: and first movements
2017-11-18 14:01:55
IchGucksLive
1400 klicks on the 5axis breakout today alone
2017-11-18 14:02:06
IchGucksLive
so many building mashines
2017-11-18 14:03:08
monkeyisl
clicks?
2017-11-18 14:03:12
IchGucksLive
im going for a walk just a quick look on the weather radar if i done walk in a snow blizzard
2017-11-18 14:03:33
IchGucksLive
monkeyisl: on the YT video to the 5USD BOB
2017-11-18 14:03:51
IchGucksLive
till later
2017-11-18 14:06:00
pcw_home
monkeyisl: The 7I76 spindle output is analog ( a isolated potentiometer replacement)
2017-11-18 14:06:16
MarcelineVQ
monkeyisl: he's talkin about these things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I00ArvYvZgI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk09X_bQ_g
2017-11-18 14:09:23
monkeyisl
pcw_home : analog yup like potentiometer.
2017-11-18 14:11:05
monkeyisl
i think i configured correctly huanyang VFD, it works as expected. but i can't make my 7i76 output signal.
2017-11-18 14:14:08
pcw_home
what is the voltage between SPINDLE+ and SPINDLE-?
2017-11-18 14:14:19
monkeyisl
https://imgur.com/a/NwKTM
2017-11-18 14:14:37
monkeyisl
10v, 0
2017-11-18 14:14:53
pcw_home
you measured?
2017-11-18 14:15:06
monkeyisl
yup
2017-11-18 14:15:26
monkeyisl
another pic sec
2017-11-18 14:15:38
pcw_home
no pictures
2017-11-18 14:15:59
monkeyisl
ok
2017-11-18 14:16:27
pcw_home
what are the states of the hal 7i76 spindle pins?
2017-11-18 14:16:37
monkeyisl
vfd pinout is like 10v --> spin+, VI--> spinoutput, ACM --> spin-
2017-11-18 14:17:13
monkeyisl
TB4 , 1,2,3
2017-11-18 14:17:47
pcw_home
what does halcmd show pin | grep spin
2017-11-18 14:17:48
pcw_home
print?
2017-11-18 14:19:21
monkeyisl
oh i haven't finsihed pncconf. so it shows 0 result. | grep spin
2017-11-18 14:19:55
monkeyisl
shouldi finsiht it first?
2017-11-18 14:20:04
monkeyisl
is there no testing hmethod before i go/?
2017-11-18 14:21:37
monkeyisl
something like "open loop test"
2017-11-18 14:22:17
monkeyisl
oh .....
2017-11-18 14:22:34
monkeyisl
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jasonwebb/tc-maker-4x4-router/master/media/electronic-control-system-linuxcnc/MESA%207i76%20pin%20mapping.jpg
2017-11-18 14:23:20
monkeyisl
i did upside down.. what the best pic i've ever seen, they should attach it in theirpdf!
2017-11-18 14:23:46
monkeyisl
fixing
2017-11-18 14:25:33
pcw_home
Pretty sure pncconf cant test sserial I/O devices like the spindle
2017-11-18 14:26:31
pcw_home
you need to run LinuxCNC ( or at least hal with running threads ) for that
2017-11-18 14:27:03
monkeyisl
there is "open loop test" button touhg.
2017-11-18 14:37:19
monkeyisl
should i have only ONE core?
2017-11-18 14:37:30
monkeyisl
for RTAPI ?
2017-11-18 14:47:22
archivist
adjusting userspace to one core and realtime to another has been done, not everyone has to
2017-11-18 14:51:28
pcw_home
I would not bother unless you have terrible latency, say worse the 150000 ns (150 usec)
2017-11-18 14:55:31
pcw_home
( because its makes almost every thing run slower )
2017-11-18 15:00:01
R2E4
morning afternoon, evening
2017-11-18 15:06:57
monkeyisl
<stdin>:13: Pin 'hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.spinout' does not exist
2017-11-18 15:07:02
monkeyisl
<stdin>:14: Pin 'hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.spinena' does not exist
2017-11-18 15:07:08
monkeyisl
<stdin>:15: Pin 'hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.spindir' does not exist
2017-11-18 15:07:15
monkeyisl
hmm... what's wrong
2017-11-18 15:07:32
R2E4
field power?
2017-11-18 15:07:34
monkeyisl
i clicked open loop test .. and it prints above on console.
2017-11-18 15:07:43
monkeyisl
hm?
2017-11-18 15:08:03
monkeyisl
do i need fieldpower to spindle module on ?
2017-11-18 15:08:21
R2E4
you have dc voltage present on the oragne connector?
2017-11-18 15:08:29
monkeyisl
nope
2017-11-18 15:08:50
monkeyisl
Should I?
2017-11-18 15:09:01
monkeyisl
i'm using analog module
2017-11-18 15:09:02
R2E4
then that is an accurate error
2017-11-18 15:09:11
monkeyisl
ok let me try 8v?
2017-11-18 15:09:34
monkeyisl
i don't have anotyhign but spindle on the board. 3 pins. spin+, spin-, spinout
2017-11-18 15:09:39
R2E4
8vdc should work. 12-24 is advisable
2017-11-18 15:10:04
monkeyisl
r2e4 what' sbout W1
2017-11-18 15:10:17
monkeyisl
VIN-VBUS ?
2017-11-18 15:10:26
monkeyisl
left right
2017-11-18 15:10:38
monkeyisl
vinvbus <> vin sep
2017-11-18 15:11:16
monkeyisl
cool teamview works now.
2017-11-18 15:12:02
R2E4
leave it in default position W1
2017-11-18 15:12:27
R2E4
supply 12vdc gnd pin 8 top pin, and 12+ to pin 5
2017-11-18 15:12:38
R2E4
en you can spindle away!!!
2017-11-18 15:13:48
R2E4
W1 is if you want to use a different voltage for field power and VIN
2017-11-18 15:20:43
monkeyisl
how it works
2017-11-18 15:20:44
monkeyisl
lol
2017-11-18 15:20:48
monkeyisl
i can spin it
2017-11-18 15:20:51
monkeyisl
thankss
2017-11-18 15:21:05
R2E4
nice
2017-11-18 15:35:59
monkeyisl
look i can concentrate on cad for now lolniceeee
2017-11-18 15:36:19
monkeyisl
exciting
2017-11-18 15:41:26
R2E4
What are you doing with a 7i76 with only using spinout?
2017-11-18 15:46:29
monkeyisl
oh,, now spindle, stepper x 4 works.
2017-11-18 15:46:36
monkeyisl
0s
2017-11-18 15:46:37
monkeyisl
-s
2017-11-18 15:47:42
R2E4
Your on a roll....
2017-11-18 16:15:31
archivist
cradek, have you seen this idea for measuring non flat http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mitutoyo-101468M-Ball-Attachment-Metric/142148546406
2017-11-18 16:56:50
JT-Shop
well hell someone hacked into either my paypal or bank card or both
2017-11-18 16:57:17
archivist
nasty
2017-11-18 16:58:08
gloops
nowhere is safe
2017-11-18 16:59:47
sync
probably your CC
2017-11-18 16:59:58
JT-Shop
they used an electronic check to try and take money from my paypal then somehow transfered 1000 to paypal
2017-11-18 17:01:29
archivist
check for any problems with the website code you use for mesaus
2017-11-18 17:01:47
gloops
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FL86STH156-4208A-H-1-High-Torque-Stepper-Motor-with-DM805-AI-stepper-drive/332448265196? cheap servo/driver here 12nM
2017-11-18 17:07:38
archivist
dont normally have analogue in to a stepper
2017-11-18 17:08:37
sync
I guess why not, it is just a motor
2017-11-18 17:09:06
gloops
12nm stepper?
2017-11-18 17:10:09
gloops
that would do my y heh
2017-11-18 17:19:48
monkeyisl
is there any tadesoff between analog or digital on driving spindle?
2017-11-18 17:21:07
monkeyisl
my question is too unspecific though
2017-11-18 17:21:27
archivist
depends!
2017-11-18 17:21:58
monkeyisl
any examples? lol
2017-11-18 17:24:41
archivist
some machines need a position controlled spindle, others need some feedback for tapping/threading others an open loop speed
2017-11-18 17:25:23
archivist
most milling is plain open loop just a speed signal
2017-11-18 17:26:04
archivist
solid tapping in linuxcnc just adds some feedback so the other axes follow
2017-11-18 17:28:10
JT-Shop
stupid paypal downgraded my account to a personal account.... now I have set it back up again
2017-11-18 17:28:10
archivist
hobbing has an axis geared to the spindle
2017-11-18 17:31:13
MarcelineVQ
rigid tapping makes my skin tingle, I definetly want to make something that can do that
2017-11-18 17:32:21
archivist
MarcelineVQ, I have a hobbing setup
2017-11-18 17:32:23
MarcelineVQ
paypal is forver jerking around with my mom's business accounts in various inconsistent ways, I'm not sure how anyone gets things done with it
2017-11-18 17:38:18
R2E4
JT-Shop: thats a bummer. I need to order some more stuff....
2017-11-18 17:38:52
MarcelineVQ
archivist: hobbing is way cool too
2017-11-18 17:39:25
MarcelineVQ
I probably mentioned it before but I saw this vid of a giant cnc that hobbed with grinding stones and it's quite a sight
2017-11-18 17:39:30
IchGucksLive
hi
2017-11-18 17:40:03
R2E4
arkk.... Mesa out of stock 8i20's....
2017-11-18 17:40:33
gloops
evenin
2017-11-18 17:40:35
JT-Shop
R2E4: I think all has been straightened out
2017-11-18 17:43:32
R2E4
JT-Shop: can you get 8i20 from mesa? t some done?or find out when they will ge
2017-11-18 17:43:38
R2E4
get some done...
2017-11-18 17:45:41
JT-Shop
just ask pcw_home if he knows when the 8i20's will be back in stock
2017-11-18 17:47:50
JT-Shop
JT-Shop takes a rainy day nap
2017-11-18 18:15:42
IchGucksLive
DT did undo what he yesterday signed doesnt he ask anybody on his thinking
2017-11-18 18:36:45
IchGucksLive
gn8
2017-11-18 18:41:33
gloops
all quiet on the western front
2017-11-18 18:43:35
gloops
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Horizontal-Milling-Machine-Herbert-No-33/232565261412?
2017-11-18 18:44:18
JT-Shop
windy as heck here
2017-11-18 18:45:37
gloops
not bad here for november
2017-11-18 19:57:41
JT-Shop
temps dropping like crazy went from short sleeve to jacket in 2 hours
2017-11-18 20:20:33
pcw_home
NIce sunny day after a couple of days of decent rainfall (enough to really soak the ground)
2017-11-18 20:20:35
pcw_home
So you can hear the Arundo growing, California growing season is really winter
2017-11-18 20:24:16
gloops
arundo? whassat?
2017-11-18 20:31:37
pcw_home
type of reed, its a weed here
2017-11-18 20:31:47
gloops
ah ok
2017-11-18 20:31:53
pcw_home
looks a bit like bamboo
2017-11-18 20:32:05
gloops
thought it was some kind of crop - not heard of it
2017-11-18 20:32:23
pcw_home
Arundo Donax
2017-11-18 20:34:23
andypugh
They made SCSI cards didn’t they?
2017-11-18 20:40:22
JT-Shop
JT-Shop designs a chicken feeder with SolidWorks
2017-11-18 20:42:06
phipli
JT-Shop, heads up, you can't fill them with pellets through an inch pipe easily
2017-11-18 20:42:30
phipli
that was an early fail lazy modification that didn't work
2017-11-18 20:42:33
JT-Shop
this one the top is a lid and I use crumble
2017-11-18 20:42:51
JT-Shop
a gravity fed box thing
2017-11-18 20:43:11
phipli
keep it dry, and way more cross section than you'd expect
2017-11-18 20:43:29
JT-Shop
cross section?
2017-11-18 20:43:51
phipli
area for the shoot if it is filling automatically
2017-11-18 20:45:20
JT-Shop
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HTeIep5Ai_4/UILR0isPR9I/AAAAAAAAMSw/PXQ2hBGaCic/s1600/2.0+-+Automatic+Chicken+Feeders+Plans+-+Chicken+Coop+Plans+Free.jpg
2017-11-18 20:45:25
JT-Shop
something like that
2017-11-18 20:45:45
phipli
Interesting
2017-11-18 20:46:19
JT-Shop
that one doesn't show the gate part that limits the level of the feed
2017-11-18 20:47:26
JT-Shop
http://farmfolly.com/2010/02/building-a-home-made-chicken-feeder/
2017-11-18 20:47:36
JT-Shop
it will be more like that one
2017-11-18 20:49:21
MarcelineVQ
JT-Shop: my rabbit feeder looks like that
2017-11-18 20:49:45
MarcelineVQ
it does tend to collect pellet dust at the bottom though, consider a fine mesh as the base
2017-11-18 20:49:55
MarcelineVQ
well unless the chickens eat that
2017-11-18 20:50:24
JT-Shop
yea there is not a spec of feed under the current feeder and it is scratched clean
2017-11-18 20:50:31
MarcelineVQ
picky rabbits don't eat dust :>
2017-11-18 20:51:53
phipli
Chickens will eat anything, as long as another chicken around that they're worried will get it first
2017-11-18 20:52:37
MarcelineVQ
that must be the secret then, I need another rabbit
2017-11-18 20:52:42
phipli
:)
2017-11-18 20:53:09
JT-Shop
yea give one a goodie and they run and make noise so the others chase it
2017-11-18 20:53:24
JT-Shop
if they had any smarts they would put on a poker face
2017-11-18 20:53:31
phipli
yup
2017-11-18 21:13:43
JT-Shop
http://gnipsel.com/images/chickens-2/Feeder.JPG
2017-11-18 21:13:51
JT-Shop
no lid yet...
2017-11-18 21:28:23
gloops
near me but not buying https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Milwaukee-Horizontal-Milling-Machine-with-tools/182904747282?
2017-11-18 21:28:48
gloops
Milwaukee = Walker Turner
2017-11-18 21:29:26
XXCoder
definitely needs a good clean
2017-11-18 21:30:09
gloops
thats its protective film lol
2017-11-18 21:31:39
XXCoder
lol
2017-11-18 21:36:53
JT-Shop
phipli: do you grow fodder for the chickens?
2017-11-18 21:42:22
XXCoder
yet another politician that is anti-gay resigns because oops exposed doing gay activities
2017-11-18 21:42:38
XXCoder
its becoming trope so far
2017-11-18 21:43:14
gloops
it was rampant among the nazis
2017-11-18 21:43:25
XXCoder
so, no change eh
2017-11-18 21:44:34
gloops
hitler had to set up a special court for homosexual party members - heard in secrecy so the problem didnt become public
2017-11-18 21:44:58
XXCoder
honestly?
2017-11-18 21:45:07
XXCoder
I dont give a fuck who person fucks
2017-11-18 21:45:18
XXCoder
as long as everyone involved gave consent
2017-11-18 21:45:23
gloops
well it is documented in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich
2017-11-18 21:45:49
XXCoder
its when one keeps shouting antigay then boom exposed to be gay. that is when I lol out
2017-11-18 21:46:20
phipli
JT-Shop, they get to eat our lawn, but not other than that
2017-11-18 21:46:28
phipli
nope
2017-11-18 21:54:48
JT-Shop
from what I've read the fodder increases the feed value by 6 or 10 fold of the seeds and easy to do
2017-11-18 21:56:44
Deejay
gn8
2017-11-18 22:15:15
Cromaglious_
Just ordered a follow rest for my lathe, with that I can finish my Mini axle CV removal tool
2017-11-18 22:16:28
phipli
JT-Shop, what exactly do you mean by fodder?
2017-11-18 22:16:38
phipli
to me it just means animal food
2017-11-18 22:17:58
phipli
basically, I mean... grass or turnips :)
2017-11-18 22:18:19
Cromaglious_
Just like the phrase Cannon fodder for Army infantry troops Cannon food
2017-11-18 22:19:35
Cromaglious_
fodder to me is more grass/hay, for turnips/grain I tend to use feed
2017-11-18 22:19:35
phipli
I'm not feeding my chickens infantry
2017-11-18 22:20:11
phipli
I'm used to turnips for horses been called fodder
2017-11-18 22:20:13
phipli
not sure why
2017-11-18 22:20:37
phipli
feed I associate with grain
2017-11-18 22:20:38
Cromaglious_
LOL
2017-11-18 22:22:15
Cromaglious_
anything out of the kitchen is trimmings
2017-11-18 22:22:54
phipli
kitchen scraps
2017-11-18 22:23:08
phipli
against the law to give kitchen scraps to some animals now
2017-11-18 22:23:22
phipli
including chickens here
2017-11-18 22:23:23
phipli
:(
2017-11-18 22:23:36
phipli
not something I follow... religiously
2017-11-18 22:26:46
Cromaglious_
working on getting our coop designed, we are allowed up to 3 hens, NO roosters
2017-11-18 22:27:14
phipli
live in town?
2017-11-18 22:34:31
JT-Shop
phipli: you soak wheat or barley seeds for a bit then water them in a container for 7 days and you have a lovely green treat
2017-11-18 22:35:16
JT-Shop
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/growing-fodder-for-chickens.713334/
2017-11-18 22:42:11
Cromaglious_
phipli: yep on a city lot
2017-11-18 22:45:13
phipli
Cromaglious_, yeah - I'm in a city too
2017-11-18 22:56:11
JT-Shop
Cromaglious_: think carefully about proper ventilation
2017-11-18 22:56:30
JT-Shop
roost bar 12" higher than nest boxes
2017-11-18 23:01:19
JT-Shop
Cromaglious_: https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/chicken-coop-ventilation-go-out-there-and-cut-more-holes-in-your-coop.47774/
2017-11-18 23:02:46
Cromaglious_
We are thinking thermo siphon to help move air.
2017-11-18 23:16:46
XXCoder
lol
2017-11-18 23:17:01
XXCoder
tried the hose camera inspect sewer system
2017-11-18 23:17:04
XXCoder
its not that good
2017-11-18 23:17:15
Cromaglious_
setting up a siphon in the back wall, so the sun will heat the air and rise, and pull air into the coop. I also have 2ea 12v 5w solar panels to drive a fan
2017-11-18 23:17:34
Cromaglious_
XXCoder: yep... blind beyond 2CM
2017-11-18 23:18:08
XXCoder
it works actually just problem with aiming so its always towards sides and not down pipe
2017-11-18 23:18:20
XXCoder
and its easily blurred by dirt
2017-11-18 23:18:38
Cromaglious_
it comes with a really crappy 90 degree mirror
2017-11-18 23:18:44
XXCoder
mine dont
2017-11-18 23:18:44
JT-Shop
Cromaglious_: you just need enough open non drafty area for good ventilation
2017-11-18 23:19:25
Cromaglious_
JT-Shop: it's also for cooling... Southern California, right now it's 82F
2017-11-18 23:19:56
Cromaglious_
28c
2017-11-18 23:23:27
Cromaglious_
If it drop's below 65 fans cut off, still trying to figure out a safe and cheap warmth conservation method
2017-11-18 23:23:49
XXCoder
crom auto-closing vent? fan on it opens
2017-11-18 23:24:15
XXCoder
make it vent into duct that goes downwards into below coop floor level then out
2017-11-18 23:24:23
XXCoder
so heat rises and dont escape
2017-11-18 23:24:34
XXCoder
but fan can push it outwards
2017-11-18 23:25:55
JT-Shop
Cromaglious_: ah yea we are 48F atm
2017-11-18 23:26:13
JT-Shop
you just need a roof with cage wire around it lol
2017-11-18 23:26:38
XXCoder
that reminds me of that sillyness
2017-11-18 23:26:54
XXCoder
farmed wanted to roof over small area for horses to shade themselves
2017-11-18 23:27:02
XXCoder
it was denied
2017-11-18 23:27:22
XXCoder
dfarmer realized that there was no size limition to outside table and chair
2017-11-18 23:28:18
XXCoder
result: https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/the-dar-75.jpg
2017-11-18 23:28:32
A|9000
hi all
2017-11-18 23:28:53
XXCoder
get 9k
2017-11-18 23:28:56
XXCoder
*hey
2017-11-18 23:30:18
A|9000
??
2017-11-18 23:30:43
A|9000
yes ive noticed you
2017-11-18 23:31:32
XXCoder
hey
2017-11-18 23:31:40
XXCoder
dammit I keep typoing. heh
2017-11-18 23:31:50
XXCoder
anyway whats up mr a 8k
2017-11-18 23:32:19
JT-Shop
got a good start on the chicken feeder... looking good
2017-11-18 23:32:42
XXCoder
JT-Shop: did you see pic above? pretty funny
2017-11-18 23:32:47
XXCoder
also nice
2017-11-18 23:33:31
JT-Shop
I bet he flipps the bird at the council every chance he gets
2017-11-18 23:34:28
XXCoder
probably if its nazi-que type
2017-11-18 23:34:54
XXCoder
power tripping council or HOA suck so hard
2017-11-18 23:37:39
XXCoder
interesting https://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/horseshelter.asp
2017-11-18 23:39:06
SpeedEvil
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sascotec-Horse-solarium-ELITE/dp/B01N2T28J1 related
2017-11-18 23:39:18
JT-Shop
JT-Shop heads inside for some chicken and dumplins
2017-11-18 23:40:01
tiwake
XXCoder: there was a guy here locally who was denied to allow more than 4 non-family members to rent his large house... so he painted it pink with pokadots of various colors
2017-11-18 23:40:27
tiwake
as there is some strange old law about not allowing more than 4 people to rent a house
2017-11-18 23:40:40
tiwake
they might have gotten rid of it finally
2017-11-18 23:40:43
tiwake
but yeah
2017-11-18 23:40:44
tiwake
heh
2017-11-18 23:40:51
XXCoder
why do color change it?
2017-11-18 23:41:04
tiwake
to make a statement of how stupid the law is... heh
2017-11-18 23:41:15
tiwake
city ordinance I guess
2017-11-18 23:41:18
XXCoder
ahh ok
2017-11-18 23:41:34
XXCoder
sometimes stupid law is due to outdated but real reason]
2017-11-18 23:41:42
tiwake
right
2017-11-18 23:41:53
XXCoder
do you know why pillow and matresses has integerants list and no rip off if not customer?
2017-11-18 23:41:57
tiwake
the thing is that this is a college town
2017-11-18 23:42:01
tiwake
so it was bound to happen
2017-11-18 23:42:25
XXCoder
first companies stuffed crap in matresses like rags, so there was integents law
2017-11-18 23:42:42
XXCoder
companies got around it by just ripping it off after it set on display
2017-11-18 23:42:44
XXCoder
so...
2017-11-18 23:42:52
XXCoder
law on customer only can rip it off
2017-11-18 23:42:58
tiwake
heh yeah
2017-11-18 23:43:06
tiwake
not surprising
2017-11-18 23:43:14
XXCoder
mine is very simple
2017-11-18 23:43:16
XXCoder
"foam"
2017-11-18 23:43:33
XXCoder
cotton type top and covering but 99% foam yeah
2017-11-18 23:43:35
tiwake
wonder if a lot of those were imported
2017-11-18 23:43:41
XXCoder
quite stiff way I like it
2017-11-18 23:43:42
tiwake
tiwake shrugs
2017-11-18 23:44:03
XXCoder
is matresses made in usa anywhere now?
2017-11-18 23:45:05
tiwake
the one I own is
2017-11-18 23:45:13
tiwake
bought it for $150 from costco
2017-11-18 23:45:15
XXCoder
mines not. its from ikea
2017-11-19 03:08:48
monkeyisl
which realtime jog could i expact at around 200usd range?
2017-11-19 03:09:30
monkeyisl
which realtime jog could i expect at around 200usd range?
2017-11-19 03:09:53
monkeyisl
oops
2017-11-19 03:10:19
monkeyisl
any protip?
2017-11-19 03:10:55
MarcelineVQ
dunno but for a question like that you'll probably want to give more info, if you're able
2017-11-19 03:11:29
XXCoder
yeah im uncertain on what you mean by realtime jog
2017-11-19 03:11:49
MarcelineVQ
it's a wee bit broad, speed and transmission type vs power vs price and all that sort of jazz matters
2017-11-19 03:13:49
MarcelineVQ
mostly though you'll want to say what you mean by realtime jog. the motor shaft rpm? the actual movement of some setup you have in mind? the response-rate of a pendant? :>
2017-11-19 03:17:24
monkeyisl
reaponse rate is close to 0 i mean .
2017-11-19 03:17:49
MarcelineVQ
of?
2017-11-19 03:18:00
monkeyisl
but actually keyboard will just work?
2017-11-19 03:18:17
monkeyisl
move axis
2017-11-19 03:21:31
MarcelineVQ
sure keyboard works. keyboard keys have certain limitations in that if your OS stutters due to a HDD read or loaded cpu it's possible to get more key presses than you intended, or a button can be held longer than you thought. That's been my experience anyway
2017-11-19 03:22:55
MarcelineVQ
With the kernel you'd use with linuxcnc it's possible that situation is pretty reduced though, dunno
2017-11-19 03:23:28
monkeyisl
iseif i should have jog watwat i am considering
2017-11-19 03:46:32
XXCoder
monkeyisl: keyboard is usb and is not realtime
2017-11-19 03:47:20
XXCoder
older ps1 though works fine, it uses actual INT so it can be reacted to near-instant
2017-11-19 03:47:53
XXCoder
if you never used ps/2 keyboard, never disconnect or connect ps2 keyboard when computer is on, it can fry the port.
2017-11-19 03:48:01
andypugh
Jogwheels into HAL realtime are much more dependable than keyboard joggig.
2017-11-19 03:48:09
XXCoder
indeed
2017-11-19 03:49:29
XXCoder
serial port pendant
2017-11-19 03:49:34
XXCoder
not usb one
2017-11-19 03:52:35
monkeyisl
is there any inface for such in 7i76?
2017-11-19 03:52:48
monkeyisl
interface
2017-11-19 03:53:10
andypugh
Yeah, 7i76 has 2 mpg counters built-in
2017-11-19 03:53:15
XXCoder
it has lots pins you can easily configure pins
2017-11-19 03:53:23
XXCoder
well what andy said
2017-11-19 03:53:35
andypugh
(as well as the spindle encoder)
2017-11-19 03:54:19
andypugh
Look at Mode2 on page 18 of the 7i76 manual: http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/parallel/7i76man.pdf
2017-11-19 03:55:01
XXCoder
I need to install and try sensor for rpm for my router
2017-11-19 03:55:08
XXCoder
but my machine is in closet :(
2017-11-19 03:55:14
andypugh
Add “sserial_port_0=20000000” to the config string in the HAL file.
2017-11-19 04:08:06
monkeyisl
dxcoder u got ur machine build pics? or blog
2017-11-19 04:09:26
XXCoder
no blog but some videos. I was just starting so its not really good videos and in some cases not very good things done
2017-11-19 04:09:55
XXCoder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF8erDoJlsY
2017-11-19 04:10:25
XXCoder
im taking stuff slow because my machine is very different from my work machines lol
2017-11-19 04:12:42
XXCoder
good example to NOT do with fixture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQUSS9FO9kY
2017-11-19 04:13:00
XXCoder
you can see how bad it was lol that was before I had better clamps
2017-11-19 04:26:15
XXCoder
monkeyisl: enjoyed videos hopefully? lol
2017-11-19 04:39:02
MarcelineVQ
yeah neat vids
2017-11-19 04:40:57
XXCoder
glad in least someone enjoyed my screwup and successes heh
2017-11-19 04:41:27
XXCoder
the "spinner" one was a screwup, it turned when runing because my clamnp setup sucked very bad lol
2017-11-19 04:41:49
MarcelineVQ
the mechwarrior one is kind of interesting, cuttin in a scanline sort of fashion, how come it's not cutting on both travel passes?
2017-11-19 04:42:12
XXCoder
ask devs of linuxcnc heh its image to gcode builtin
2017-11-19 04:42:18
MarcelineVQ
ah okay
2017-11-19 04:42:25
XXCoder
likely due to climb cut vs convential
2017-11-19 04:42:39
XXCoder
it shouldnt matter with tiny but very sharp ballem
2017-11-19 05:24:28
monkeyisl
oops i was driving
2017-11-19 06:45:58
monkeyMob
test
2017-11-19 06:46:10
monkeyMob
k seems working
2017-11-19 06:47:08
monkeyisl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF8erDoJlsY
2017-11-19 06:51:21
gloops
looks like youre in monkey
2017-11-19 06:52:20
XXCoder
IN monkey eww
2017-11-19 06:55:17
gloops
doubt ill be cutting until the new year
2017-11-19 07:00:37
monkeyisl
mobil irc is garbage it keeps disconnrctiong
2017-11-19 07:01:10
XXCoder
i use hexchat
2017-11-19 07:10:46
IchGucksLive
morning from sunrise in europ
2017-11-19 07:11:02
XXCoder
geez mint went weird
2017-11-19 07:11:08
XXCoder
that or hard drive is starting to fail
2017-11-19 07:45:04
IchGucksLive
till later
2017-11-19 07:47:10
gloops
wow gantry is pretty wide for a 900 cut
2017-11-19 07:47:37
gloops
1360mm looks bigger when its made
2017-11-19 07:52:55
archivist
cars never fit in garages again
2017-11-19 07:55:17
gloops
i left plenty of room over the screws - motor will go between the uprights i dont want it stuck out
2017-11-19 07:56:16
gloops
i can stand full weight on one cross member - no bend
2017-11-19 07:57:00
gloops
so far so good
2017-11-19 07:59:37
gloops
failed to get cutting point central between x bearings, thats the only mistake, i dont think it will matter
2017-11-19 08:00:32
archivist
horizontal bend is the usual mistook on gantry designs
2017-11-19 08:01:15
gloops
well if this bends there isnt much more that could be done - it wont anyway
2017-11-19 08:01:44
gloops
just a bit heavy
2017-11-19 08:03:07
gloops
would have needed 1 foot long feet on X to get cutter central, i only made 9 inch, suppose that could be rectified if its a problem
2017-11-19 08:06:12
Deejay
moin
2017-11-19 08:10:19
gloops
with 50-60kg pressing down a good counterbalance to any leverage from cutting is already in place, would take some lifting from any one point
2017-11-19 08:58:59
archivist
er cutting force is often sideways rather than up/down
2017-11-19 09:16:26
XXCoder
this is cool https://youtu.be/bhZdbgM6S70
2017-11-19 09:30:53
A|9000
hi all I have a doubt...
2017-11-19 09:31:16
archivist
get a solution then
2017-11-19 09:31:35
A|9000
i have already a cnc hardware that works on mach3
2017-11-19 09:32:19
A|9000
can I install linuxcnc on ubuntu and go on works ?
2017-11-19 09:32:25
archivist
if it connects via parallel port BOB then changing is simple
2017-11-19 09:32:56
A|9000
yes I use parallel port
2017-11-19 09:35:52
A|9000
waht you mean aout BOB ?
2017-11-19 09:36:03
archivist
breakout board
2017-11-19 09:36:18
archivist
not a motion controller
2017-11-19 09:38:05
A|9000
did youhave a photo to understand the difference ? I'm little confused
2017-11-19 09:39:06
archivist
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/cnc/bob/$_57.JPG
2017-11-19 09:40:35
A|9000
thnx
2017-11-19 09:41:19
archivist
those are quite cheap and work reasonably well
2017-11-19 09:42:18
gloops
installing on ubuntu might be a bit tricky
2017-11-19 09:42:37
XXCoder
you need rt kernel
2017-11-19 09:43:20
gloops
yeah, dont know if i messed it up but caused problems
2017-11-19 09:43:29
archivist
use the live CD download for easy setup
2017-11-19 09:44:37
XXCoder
yeah that distro is little bit older but ya know, you dont need super up to date to run cnc machine.
2017-11-19 09:44:47
A|9000
yes i've downloaded the live cd
2017-11-19 09:45:17
gloops
probably best way is just to start with a spare hard drive and a clean install from the downloadable iso
2017-11-19 09:46:26
A|9000
yes I've a pc deicate to this; I need to find aFree hardrive from my pare part box :)
2017-11-19 09:47:07
gloops
you can try linuxcnc from bootable usb - but it wont run a machine from that
2017-11-19 09:49:36
gloops
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222712740704? would bid on that if i wasnt doing other things, cant make out wether the tailstock end foot is broke off or some kind of fitting there though
2017-11-19 09:49:42
A|9000
Yes thnx; but i need to see if my cnc harware controller is compatible
2017-11-19 10:11:08
monkeyMob
A9000 : why are you moving to linuxcnc from mach? just curious
2017-11-19 10:27:55
IchGucksLive
hi from sunny cold germany
2017-11-19 10:44:12
gloops
sbr 16 rails - bent as a butchers hook
2017-11-19 10:45:00
IchGucksLive
how that happen
2017-11-19 10:45:20
gloops
in transit maybe? or just made like that
2017-11-19 10:45:31
gloops
clear couple of mm bow
2017-11-19 10:46:52
gloops
dont know if that is normal, will go on ok
2017-11-19 10:47:31
archivist
many rails systems expect the frame to hold them straight
2017-11-19 10:49:54
gloops
yeah supposed, they are designed for support
2017-11-19 11:03:51
jthornton
morning
2017-11-19 11:05:38
XXCoder
jthornton: ya ok? heh
2017-11-19 11:06:03
jthornton
yea why
2017-11-19 11:06:16
XXCoder
just funny, say moning then leave :P
2017-11-19 11:07:45
jthornton
ah I just restarted hexchat
2017-11-19 11:46:48
IchGucksLive
till later
2017-11-19 11:54:00
R2E4
morning
2017-11-19 14:11:41
jthornton
38F this morning
2017-11-19 14:23:01
gloops
archivist any good - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/14-64m-of-150-mm-high-Flat-Bottom-Aluminium-Rail-for-5-gauge-Steam-Model/253255755714?
2017-11-19 14:23:59
archivist
I have a couple of lengths in the loft I have only used for a bench :)
2017-11-19 14:24:32
archivist
that looks a bit rough and "used"
2017-11-19 14:25:03
gloops
just wondered if any use in your steam affairs
2017-11-19 14:25:50
gloops
could have that running out the garage and have machines on wheels - push them out the way when space needed
2017-11-19 14:26:36
archivist
that rail is a bit light for machines
2017-11-19 14:27:10
archivist
I have mine on scaffold rollers
2017-11-19 14:28:14
gloops
got mine bolted down, this is rotherham heh
2017-11-19 14:28:26
archivist
hehe
2017-11-19 14:29:13
gloops
have known them lift cars over to get caravan out
2017-11-19 14:29:30
archivist
I see that bloke even parks on his spastic flower pots to stop them being stolen
2017-11-19 14:30:37
gloops
anti theft device - will make a noise if anyone moves that trailer
2017-11-19 14:40:58
miss0r
I just got three 75x150mm precision machine vises for 50$ on online auction :D
2017-11-19 14:41:22
miss0r
miss0r assumes he will get a cardboard box with a brick in it send via mail
2017-11-19 14:42:25
archivist
I sometimes rush around to collect if its tooooo cheap :)
2017-11-19 14:43:04
miss0r
its a partial auction. Noone can go pick up anything until wensday
2017-11-19 14:43:12
miss0r
But rest assured, I will be there the second the door opens
2017-11-19 14:44:10
miss0r
I also bit on a box with two depth gauges and some micrometers. plus a nice t-slot cube
2017-11-19 14:46:02
archivist
I for see a space problem
2017-11-19 14:47:40
archivist
all these "might be useful" things http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HTE-Hounsfield-Tensille-Testing-Machine/352212442567
2017-11-19 14:50:04
miss0r
hehe
2017-11-19 15:01:40
sync
yeah those are always cheap
2017-11-19 15:19:33
R2E4
hey guys, I am doing a bridgeport retrofit with dc servos. I have a 130vdc power supply, but the drives I am using has no enable.
2017-11-19 15:19:37
R2E4
https://pasteboard.co/GUnRR3g.jpg
2017-11-19 15:20:00
R2E4
Should I apply aC power to the drives when I enable from Lcnc?
2017-11-19 15:21:25
R2E4
Teh drives are Viper 200..... The manufacturer specifically states do not remove power from the DC side. Cit AC input to power supply.
2017-11-19 15:23:42
miss0r
R2E4: Do yourself a favour and replace thoes old plug rectifyers with a few rectifier brydges
2017-11-19 15:24:22
miss0r
The rest I know nothing about, sorry
2017-11-19 15:25:06
R2E4
Those are milspec diodes. You can drive a tank over those....
2017-11-19 15:26:24
miss0r
mechanically sound, sure. But they have a nasty tendency to leak & create excess heat
2017-11-19 15:26:39
R2E4
The 4 on the bus bars are blocking diodes. The rectifier consists of the ones on the left on the heat sync.
2017-11-19 15:26:40
miss0r
Atleast the ones I've come across
2017-11-19 15:27:04
miss0r
I'm speaking of the ones on the heat sync
2017-11-19 15:27:13
R2E4
I'll check them. Thanks.
2017-11-19 15:27:41
miss0r
np. Sorry I couldn't be of any 'real' help ;)
2017-11-19 15:28:32
R2E4
I am trying to figure out why you would manufacture a dc servo driver and have no enable......
2017-11-19 15:29:23
miss0r
hmm... Do they have a break?
2017-11-19 15:29:33
miss0r
break=brake
2017-11-19 15:30:01
R2E4
no
2017-11-19 15:30:22
miss0r
Then I have no idea
2017-11-19 15:31:16
miss0r
I have to go eat now. have a good one people
2017-11-19 15:31:17
archivist
some think e stop is remove all power rather than bring to a safe stop first
2017-11-19 15:32:25
R2E4
So crank up the power supply when it comes out of e-stop?
2017-11-19 15:36:52
gloops
good buy miss0r
2017-11-19 15:40:57
sync
yes R2E4
2017-11-19 15:41:14
sync
archivist: different estop categories
2017-11-19 15:41:58
archivist
I know, it is a choice
2017-11-19 15:42:20
R2E4
yes but I dont like enable the drives without lcnc having control
2017-11-19 15:42:41
R2E4
Come out of estop, servo takes off and lcnc cannot stop it
2017-11-19 15:42:56
R2E4
Bad scenario
2017-11-19 15:43:37
gloops
limit switches?
2017-11-19 15:44:37
R2E4
limit switches will stop it but thats a last ditch scenario.....
2017-11-19 15:45:52
R2E4
I dont really have much of a choice. I dont think its ideal..... but it will have to do.
2017-11-19 15:46:27
sync
as soon as you come out of estop it should have control
2017-11-19 15:46:29
sync
so eh
2017-11-19 15:46:53
R2E4
lcnc wont have control until you turn lcnc on.
2017-11-19 15:47:26
R2E4
come out of estop, if your drives enabled but lcnc not turned on, it has no control
2017-11-19 15:47:36
sync
yeah, but you can just connect lcnc to your estop
2017-11-19 15:48:19
R2E4
what would that matter?
2017-11-19 15:48:28
gloops
well my iron monster is looking very butch
2017-11-19 15:48:42
sync
you cannot turn it on unless your control is running
2017-11-19 15:48:45
sync
avoiding your issue
2017-11-19 15:49:01
R2E4
lcnc wont do anything until you turn on lcnc.
2017-11-19 15:49:15
R2E4
machine-is-on
2017-11-19 15:49:55
archivist
lcnc brings out of estop
2017-11-19 15:50:22
R2E4
yes but not until the machine is on.
2017-11-19 15:50:32
sync
so where is the issue?
2017-11-19 15:50:56
sync
if the estop is locked unless linuxcnc is ready you cannot have the drives run away
2017-11-19 15:52:04
R2E4
Maybe I am overthinking it....but, when I power on the machine, estop is clear the drives are enabled. at this point anything can happen and lcnc wont be able to do anything because machine-is-on = false.
2017-11-19 15:52:30
sync
no
2017-11-19 15:52:35
sync
you cannot enable estop
2017-11-19 15:52:42
sync
if you do it the way we describe it
2017-11-19 15:53:05
sync
the machine is powered, yes
2017-11-19 15:53:09
sync
but not your dc link
2017-11-19 15:53:14
sync
so it is unable to move
2017-11-19 15:53:16
archivist
the relay cannot be pulled in until lcnc is up and ready
2017-11-19 15:54:01
R2E4
ok so I tie my dc bus with machine-is-on/
2017-11-19 15:54:44
R2E4
So when i push estop button por lcnc throws an estop dc bus drops....
2017-11-19 15:56:12
archivist
I thought you said that was a nono for those drives, switch the ac?
2017-11-19 15:56:23
sync
you just switch it off on the ac side
2017-11-19 15:56:37
R2E4
yes, I'll bring up the dc bus via dropping the AC
2017-11-19 15:56:48
sync
if you have a brake resistor you can just command it to brake the dclink empty
2017-11-19 15:56:49
archivist
although that means a bit of a slow stop as the capacitors discharge
2017-11-19 15:57:02
R2E4
exactly\
2017-11-19 15:57:24
sync
yeah, but the drives should see no command speed
2017-11-19 15:57:43
sync
you can calculate how far it will go on the capacitance
2017-11-19 15:58:03
sync
ideally linuxcnc would try to control the drives to 0 velocity even if estopped
2017-11-19 15:58:10
sync
but no idea if that is even possible
2017-11-19 15:59:34
R2E4
since these dc servos are closed at the drive, I will use the drive alarm to estop the machine.
2017-11-19 16:00:55
R2E4
Ive done about 10 machines with mesa cards. Allways have closed back to Lcnc and drive enables. Not one comeback or issues.
2017-11-19 16:01:13
R2E4
I dont like changing the game, but I guess sometimes dont have a choice.
2017-11-19 16:02:45
archivist
I hope you dont hit franks problem
2017-11-19 16:03:02
R2E4
Frank who?
2017-11-19 16:03:27
archivist
the one who lurks here often
2017-11-19 16:03:40
R2E4
where the drive is misconfigured and it takes off without f-error?
2017-11-19 16:04:00
archivist
his ferror in the closed drive was defaulting to a large amount
2017-11-19 16:04:28
R2E4
I am going to tighten that up. Its going to f-errer when the operator sneezes.
2017-11-19 16:04:29
archivist
so added friction delayed one axis
2017-11-19 16:21:15
sync
you can always swap the drives for something with an enable R2E4
2017-11-19 16:22:47
R2E4
yeah, but I purchased these drives and the margin on this job is really low.
2017-11-19 17:20:06
pcw_home
Hard to imagine a drive of any decent size without an enable
2017-11-19 17:22:47
enleth
R2E4: assign an "always true" signal to one mesa output and use that to drive a relay which is wired in series in the AC contactor circuit, so that the contactor won't come on until LinuxCNC has actually initialized the outputs, including the analog signals to the servo drive; use a delay (HAL module or ladder logic) to be extra sure the analog lines are flat 0 at that point
2017-11-19 17:23:37
enleth
R2E4: make it separate from e-stop, obviously
2017-11-19 17:24:02
enleth
so that hitting e-stop won't overstress the servo drives each time by cutting their AC inputs
2017-11-19 17:25:53
enleth
I'm pretty sure that's what the industrial controls do, there's a "control active" output that's always on when all the other outputs are in a known state
2017-11-19 17:30:42
andypugh
I want a mag drill. I only have two holes to cut, but I still want one.
2017-11-19 17:30:43
andypugh
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rotabroach-Adder-Magnetic-Hole-Drilling-Machine-Mag-Drill-240V-CM-705-3/262260314207?epid=1755709734&hash=item3d0feed05f:g:hNEAAOSwB-1YqwIy
2017-11-19 17:30:47
andypugh
is nice.
2017-11-19 17:31:11
sync
cute
2017-11-19 17:31:19
sync
I hear the BGS ones are ok
2017-11-19 17:31:32
JT-Shop
you can borrow mine
2017-11-19 17:35:37
archivist
when the hole is big sometimes you need two fellows to hold them still :)
2017-11-19 17:37:11
JT-Shop
mine has a weak magnet :(
2017-11-19 17:37:34
archivist
heavy little animals too
2017-11-19 18:27:59
IchGucksLive
hi
2017-11-19 18:29:56
gloops_
evenin
2017-11-19 18:31:34
R2E4
hi Ich
2017-11-19 18:32:26
IchGucksLive
cold night
2017-11-19 18:34:23
Motioncontrol
Hi I have reach a bug with use remap config: If remapper Feed epilog, and call in MDI a exstarnal sub ( o107 call) when have command g38.x probe , the motion stop at the first command and not execution the next command. the sub is : o<107> sub
2017-11-19 18:34:23
Motioncontrol
g38.3 z-10 f1000
2017-11-19 18:34:23
Motioncontrol
g38.2 z-20 f1000
2017-11-19 18:34:24
Motioncontrol
o<107> endsub
2017-11-19 18:34:24
Motioncontrol
m2
2017-11-19 18:34:57
Motioncontrol
This bug in actual is in 2.7 vers. and actual Master.
2017-11-19 18:35:46
IchGucksLive
Motioncontrol: why do you use sub not ngc
2017-11-19 18:36:35
IchGucksLive
you manly need 4 files to probe a part xy
2017-11-19 18:36:42
Motioncontrol
excuse i don't have write .ngc , but the bug is real
2017-11-19 18:36:49
IchGucksLive
and can combine them on most
2017-11-19 18:37:29
Motioncontrol
the linuxcnc execute only first command g38.3 and not g38.2
2017-11-19 18:37:47
IchGucksLive
i got 2.7.11 running and all probing works from yesterday
2017-11-19 18:37:59
Motioncontrol
if delete in ini file epilog the F remapped, the program is execute normally.
2017-11-19 18:38:32
Motioncontrol
IchGucksLive, you execute in exsternal sub ?
2017-11-19 18:38:47
Motioncontrol
the problem is only mdi command, in auto fuction ok
2017-11-19 18:38:47
IchGucksLive
in external ngc
2017-11-19 18:39:09
IchGucksLive
i probe on M code
2017-11-19 18:39:19
Motioncontrol
N°2 command sequential ?
2017-11-19 18:40:22
Motioncontrol
please test, i are sure it is a bug.
2017-11-19 18:43:15
gloops_
Motioncontrol im sure the developers will be interested - they dont seem to be around at the moment
2017-11-19 18:43:46
Motioncontrol
gloops_, ok thanks
2017-11-19 18:44:27
archivist
file a bug with a test case
2017-11-19 18:46:57
R2E4
Do you see any errors on cli? Are you sure you are in the right mode? The interpreter will ignore you if you are not. Doesnt allways spit an eorror either.
2017-11-19 18:47:55
Motioncontrol
i don't know procedure for write a bug
2017-11-19 18:49:45
archivist
a list of steps how you got the behaviour and any gcode
2017-11-19 18:56:46
BeachBumPete
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvndFi6vdKI Anyone here got an idea where I could find a screw jack like this one in the video? He said it was from a camper or something in another video but I cannot seem to find anything like it online short of a trailer jack which is much shorter and whatnot...
2017-11-19 18:58:34
MarcelineVQ
yeah that's pretty dang big
2017-11-19 18:58:50
MarcelineVQ
try searching for camper leg
2017-11-19 18:59:32
BeachBumPete
I know that is what is nice about it. It apparently has the balls to bend the tube and the throw to push past a 90 in a single pass
2017-11-19 18:59:38
MarcelineVQ
campers have 4 of them to lift themoff the truck bed and they're usually a screwjack of some sort
2017-11-19 18:59:53
BeachBumPete
I just bought a similar bender to this and I am debating whether to use this or just a simple air/hydro ram
2017-11-19 19:00:16
BeachBumPete
the latter is quite noisy
2017-11-19 19:00:25
BeachBumPete
and requires air power as well
2017-11-19 19:00:32
sync
or just get a real hydro power unit
2017-11-19 19:00:36
sync
used they are not so bad
2017-11-19 19:00:45
BeachBumPete
would be real nice to be able to bend tube with a cordless drill
2017-11-19 19:00:52
BeachBumPete
they are also noisy tho
2017-11-19 19:00:55
MarcelineVQ
hmm, the pipe benders we had at school were hydraulic lever
2017-11-19 19:01:10
MarcelineVQ
that is to say hand-lever powered
2017-11-19 19:01:23
BeachBumPete
you could use one of the manual hydro unit but you would be pumping A LOT
2017-11-19 19:01:30
sync
yeah
2017-11-19 19:01:46
BeachBumPete
I got the Pro Tools MB105 HD model
2017-11-19 19:01:59
BeachBumPete
that guy is using a JD2 older model of bender
2017-11-19 19:02:05
BeachBumPete
very similar tho
2017-11-19 19:02:51
BeachBumPete
that video just looked like a great alternative that would allow quiet bending in my shop
2017-11-19 19:03:03
MarcelineVQ
geeze, look at the head on that jack in the video, dunno if I​ believe this is from a camper. if it is it's a good old one
2017-11-19 19:03:04
sync
hm, seems like it is one of those stabilizer jacks
2017-11-19 19:12:46
gloops_
have seen a few home made with bottle jacks
2017-11-19 19:13:11
gloops_
keenans racing cars near me does all the tubular chassis with one
2017-11-19 19:13:35
BeachBumPete
yeah I have as well. I actually built one awhile back from the Gottrikes plans but I sold it when we moved to Florida for room on the truck
2017-11-19 19:14:01
BeachBumPete
This time I elected to just buy a proven good one and get to building something with it
2017-11-19 19:14:12
gloops_
you have got some kind of fine control with a jack lever
2017-11-19 19:16:21
BeachBumPete
yeah that is true and one of the things I like about it
2017-11-19 19:17:02
BeachBumPete
I have a friend from work who wants me to build a new cage for his Kawasaki Terex so I need to get things going for that as well as my own project reverse trike I am getting ready to build
2017-11-19 19:17:32
gloops_
reverse trike - 2 wheels up front?
2017-11-19 19:18:17
BeachBumPete
yeah
2017-11-19 19:19:03
gloops_
probably a lot better to drive
2017-11-19 19:19:17
BeachBumPete
well its been done A LOT so I guess so
2017-11-19 19:19:39
BeachBumPete
the plan is something along the lines of the Campagna Trex but my own design
2017-11-19 19:20:29
gloops_
they look good
2017-11-19 19:20:53
gloops_
what engine?
2017-11-19 19:21:27
BeachBumPete
not sure just yet but the plan is to rescue a wrecked literbike
2017-11-19 19:22:06
gloops_
the local wisdom favours the 0W01, i suppose any big bike engine is ok
2017-11-19 19:22:48
BeachBumPete
the owo1 that is a very rare yamaha superbike that was for racing only no?
2017-11-19 19:23:37
gloops_
yammy fzr r
2017-11-19 19:23:58
BeachBumPete
yeah I know I had a Yamaha FZR1000 92 for years
2017-11-19 19:24:08
BeachBumPete
absolutely loved that thing
2017-11-19 19:27:12
BeachBumPete
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk-fh25z--M These are really cool and made here in South Florida
2017-11-19 19:29:51
IchGucksLive
Gn8
2017-11-19 19:30:09
gloops_
https://www.facebook.com/MK-Engineering-259362037458423/ similar to what the kid in my village does, his brother just moved from accross the road
2017-11-19 19:33:54
BeachBumPete
those look cool too I thought about making an offroad cart at one point but I really want a superbike driven road going toy LOL
2017-11-19 19:36:21
gloops_
he does make them for the road as well, started off in his garage, they sell them all over the world now
2017-11-19 19:37:08
gloops_
not selling so many since the financial crash i dont think, theyre like sh*t off a shovel
2017-11-19 19:37:19
sync
yeah being three wheeled makes it easier in a lot of jurisdictions if you also have a carb license
2017-11-19 19:40:26
gloops_
never driven a reverse trike, tbh i dont like normal trikes, a quad you can kind of get a feel for, a trike is awkward to drive
2017-11-19 19:40:38
gloops_
i bet the two wheels up front is miles better
2017-11-19 20:11:11
CaptHindsight
BeachBumPete: scrap gate opener or surplus acme or ball screw http://www.surpluscenter.com/Power-Transmission/ACME-Thread-Lead-Screw-Nuts/ACME-Thread-Lead-Screws/
2017-11-19 20:12:56
CaptHindsight
he got lucky for $8 at a scrap yard
2017-11-19 20:21:05
gloops_
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8-TON-HYDRAULIC-LIFT-BOTTLE-JACK-CAR-50cm-LONG-RAM-TRUCK-VAN-BOAT-GARAGE-LIFTING/122791705733?
2017-11-19 20:25:38
CaptHindsight
https://www.walmart.com/ip/8-Ton-Long-Ram-Hydraulic-Jack-Cherry-Picker-Tools/102555275
2017-11-19 20:27:16
CaptHindsight
surprised HF doesn't have one
2017-11-19 20:28:29
hazzy
https://www.harborfreight.com/8-ton-long-ram-air-hydraulic-jack-94562.html
2017-11-19 20:28:36
hazzy
AIR :D
2017-11-19 20:29:36
gloops_
air if its handy
2017-11-19 20:30:09
gloops_
i dunno, ok if you have a shop with air on all the time, bit of hassle if you dont
2017-11-19 20:30:30
hazzy
I always have air
2017-11-19 20:32:04
CaptHindsight
http://www.trick-tools.com/Bend-Tech-Dragon-Tube-Cutting-and-Marking-System-9095 this could be a pretty simple LCNC project
2017-11-19 20:32:53
gloops_
well youre lucky hazzy, i dont run the compressor as soon as ive turned the lights on, i dont use it much at all
2017-11-19 20:32:58
gloops_
air is blood!
2017-11-19 20:34:01
CaptHindsight
I keep air in a tank for things like that
2017-11-19 20:34:03
gloops_
looks interesting Capt
2017-11-19 20:35:00
CaptHindsight
http://www.trick-tools.com/Transfluid_Mandrel_Tube_Bending_Machine_20101k_4355 maybe this size with mandrel bending and plasma cutting in one
2017-11-19 20:38:28
CaptHindsight
simple DIY plasma cutter/notcher for pipe
2017-11-19 20:38:31
CaptHindsight
https://imgur.com/gallery/l7HpO
2017-11-19 20:43:42
gloops_
mighty good idea
2017-11-19 20:45:34
gloops_
gloops_ thinks back to the patterns makers who used to dip tubes in a tank of water and had other numerous such tricks
2017-11-19 20:52:55
jasen
but one of them must be hiden
2017-11-19 20:53:17
jasen
opss
2017-11-19 20:56:50
DaViruz
i made one for my friends waterjet, but tube notching with waterjet turned out to be problematic
2017-11-19 20:57:45
MarcelineVQ
DaViruz: hard to get the cuts started?
2017-11-19 20:58:07
DaViruz
not really, but hard to keep them from cutting on the backside
2017-11-19 20:58:12
MarcelineVQ
:O
2017-11-19 20:58:49
DaViruz
inserting a rod works to some degree, but some internal damage seems unavoidable
2017-11-19 21:24:23
BeachBumPete
Thanks guys I have seen most of the other options done, Air/Hydro, full Hydro, etc. etc. Just had never seen that screw driven lift ram like that and figured it would work great for what I want to do here. I just never saw a ram that big before and tried to find one online without luck
2017-11-19 21:32:39
CaptHindsight
DaViruz: did you notice if 4-5" or larger tubes were still a problem vs <2"
2017-11-19 21:34:13
DaViruz
only tested up to about 2"
2017-11-19 21:48:37
CaptHindsight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJGyUhzg3qQ looks >100mm dia
2017-11-19 21:49:46
CaptHindsight
same https://youtu.be/c9sSvDZo9lw?t=1m3s
2017-11-19 21:54:41
Deejay
gn8
2017-11-19 21:56:21
sync
I like how the water line is just a coil of tube
2017-11-19 21:56:26
sync
but it makes sense I guess
2017-11-19 22:19:15
CaptHindsight
I think RobotMaster is ~$10K
2017-11-19 22:22:31
CaptHindsight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd6l82OZd0s Waterjet 5-Axis Bevelled Hole Cut
2017-11-19 22:32:15
DaViruz
the tilt heads are pretty cool
2017-11-19 23:04:31
hazzy
We have a 5 axis OMAX at school, I have never attempted to use the extra axes though ...
2017-11-20 00:17:39
hazzy
hazzy split some wood yesterday: https://i.imgur.com/ZGBylLZ.jpg
2017-11-20 00:17:45
hazzy
now time to burn it
2017-11-20 00:18:37
MarcelineVQ
knotty wood should be punished?
2017-11-20 00:31:46
hazzy
I punished the knotty pieces pretty good, in fact they were almost unrecognizable after I was done with the maul and the wedges :D
2017-11-20 00:32:23
hazzy
some of them were a real challenge to get to behave though ...
2017-11-20 00:44:10
CaptHindsight
60,000 PSI Vs 90,000 PSI Waterjet Cutting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBqgofmdKc8
2017-11-20 00:44:36
CaptHindsight
Power = kPV, sounds like maths!
2017-11-20 00:48:14
CaptHindsight
if high pressure is not making cutting faster, and if like he said using bigger orifice can do faster cutting, then why do we need 60K psi? we might as well just use 10K psi because then we can use a very large orifice.
2017-11-20 00:50:23
SpeedEvil
Cut depth drops a lot.
2017-11-20 00:50:30
SpeedEvil
And general performance.
2017-11-20 00:50:40
SpeedEvil
you can cut with 2000PSI just fine.
2017-11-20 00:50:45
SpeedEvil
It's just only polystyrene
2017-11-20 00:50:57
SpeedEvil
and most waterjet cutting uses abrasives mixed in
2017-11-20 00:51:04
SpeedEvil
the abrasive consumption goes _way_ up
2017-11-20 00:51:22
CaptHindsight
the video is missleading
2017-11-20 00:56:23
malcom2073
I've seen someone cutting 1/4" aluminum with a power washer with the right abrasives and nozzle
2017-11-20 01:03:41
CaptHindsight
5 axis plasma pipe cutting machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QhQ-0EP7fc
2017-11-20 01:04:05
CaptHindsight
the questions are about what controls can do this
2017-11-20 01:04:55
CaptHindsight
and what CAM to use
2017-11-20 01:07:58
CaptHindsight
https://machmotion.com/retrofits-main-plasma retrofit kits start at ~$12k
2017-11-20 01:08:05
CaptHindsight
for plasma
2017-11-20 01:09:04
CaptHindsight
oh wow, thats just for their hardware
2017-11-20 01:09:19
CaptHindsight
and software but no labor
2017-11-20 01:11:37
CaptHindsight
https://machmotion.com/retrofits-main-mill $7k for a CNC kit, controller, motors, drives and Winders control software
2017-11-20 01:12:00
CaptHindsight
VMC kits start at $24K
2017-11-20 01:13:39
CaptHindsight
https://machmotion.com/retrofits-main-mill#customize Block Processing Time 7.5mS and 1.5mS, i wonder if that is the servo period
2017-11-20 01:15:17
CaptHindsight
anyone ever see or try this? MachMotion Mill Control Demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=YMSqpQy7SkI
2017-11-20 01:17:32
malcom2073
Heh, can't even get mach4 stable, and they're on to something new!
2017-11-20 01:17:45
CaptHindsight
are they also Mach?
2017-11-20 01:17:49
CaptHindsight
was wondering
2017-11-20 01:17:55
malcom2073
It said based on Mach4
2017-11-20 01:18:04
malcom2073
I made an assumption, coudl be wrong?
2017-11-20 01:18:06
CaptHindsight
heh, missed that
2017-11-20 01:18:13
malcom2073
in the comments
2017-11-20 01:18:34
CaptHindsight
https://machmotion.com/about-main
2017-11-20 01:19:44
CaptHindsight
oh it's customized Mach4 https://machmotion.com/about-partners
2017-11-20 01:20:01
CaptHindsight
hahahah
2017-11-20 01:20:28
CaptHindsight
malcom2073: you are correct sir
2017-11-20 01:21:25
CaptHindsight
they are near JT!
2017-11-20 01:21:52
malcom2073
heh
2017-11-20 01:22:03
CaptHindsight
I'll have to ask him if he's had any contact with them
2017-11-20 01:25:20
CaptHindsight
waterjet retrofit kit $14k
2017-11-20 01:26:25
CaptHindsight
https://machmotion.com/retrofits-main-waterjet PC 3 Teco 400w servo motors, 10K cpr encoders and some IO in a box
2017-11-20 01:26:31
CaptHindsight
for $14K!
2017-11-20 01:27:20
CaptHindsight
control cabinet https://machmotion.com/documentation/Enclosures/Electrical%20Enclosure%20Wiring%20Diagram%20-%20Apollo%20III.pdf
2017-11-20 01:29:52
SpeedEvil
malcom2073: yeah - abrasive consumption goes waay up.
2017-11-20 01:30:03
malcom2073
Which I hear is expensive
2017-11-20 01:32:13
CaptHindsight
cheap as dirt until it gets labeled as a waterjet abrasive
2017-11-20 01:33:18
SpeedEvil
At some point, three tons of abrasive a cut becomes a problem
2017-11-20 01:36:29
CaptHindsight
4,400 lb. bulk bags https://www.barton.com/waterjet-abrasives/hpx-high-performance-crystalline-garnet-waterjet-abrasives/
2017-11-20 01:39:37
SpeedEvil
And a boy to shovel it into the waterjet
2017-11-20 01:41:16
CaptHindsight
migrant workers
2017-11-20 01:41:53
hazzy
We have a hopper that takes a pallet of abrasive at a time, which is convenient, but the the tank fills with sand before the hopper runs out!
2017-11-20 01:42:17
CaptHindsight
I was just surprised to find the custom mach software on so many plasma and waterjet machines
2017-11-20 01:43:02
CaptHindsight
there a waterjet service right down the street from me...
2017-11-20 01:43:34
CaptHindsight
big machines, must be at least a 10 x 20ft bed
2017-11-20 01:47:03
CaptHindsight
https://wardjet.com/products/waterjet/recycling/ward-pro
2017-11-20 01:47:47
CaptHindsight
80 Mesh vs. Recycled Abrasive Waterjet Cut Comparison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYEOqWCQvrA
2017-11-20 01:49:01
skunkworks
CaptHindsight, scary... That is what artsoft is pushing. Industrial over hobbyist.
2017-11-20 01:49:20
CaptHindsight
yeah
2017-11-20 01:49:49
CaptHindsight
scary
2017-11-20 01:53:54
CaptHindsight
I ran into another closed source controls vendor at the mold show..
2017-11-20 01:54:26
CaptHindsight
they had Bridgeport retrofits for ~$35K complete
2017-11-20 01:56:06
sync
hazzy: sand conveyor out the tank
2017-11-20 01:58:06
hazzy
sync: Yes, we really need something like that, or just have a rule where each student who uses the jet had remove one shovel full of sand :)
2017-11-20 01:59:27
sync
that would also help
2017-11-20 02:00:13
sync
I think ours has a pump that runs when it is cutting and pumps the water through some filter cloth that runs in a loop
2017-11-20 02:00:27
sync
so it just dumps the used abrasive somewhere else while recycling the water
2017-11-20 02:00:29
CaptHindsight
turn it into an indoor beach party
2017-11-20 02:04:59
CaptHindsight
hazzy: what is the cutting area of the waterjet?
2017-11-20 02:05:52
CaptHindsight
I might build a multi-axis plasma cutter with some spare parts
2017-11-20 02:06:22
CaptHindsight
with a waterjet service so close I don't know if I'd bother making one
2017-11-20 02:06:32
hazzy
It is a 4' x 8' but one end is taken up by the air tank to use to raise the water level, so working area is only about 4' x 6'
2017-11-20 02:08:02
hazzy
Which is a pain because we cut a lot if 4x8 sheets for the sheet metal class, so we have to break them down with the shear first
2017-11-20 02:10:40
CaptHindsight
and you probably can't modify the tank since it's leased or something
2017-11-20 03:37:13
hazzy
CaptHindsight: No, we own the water jet, but for small parts it is very convenient being able to raise and lower the water level in a mater of seconds rather than minutes
2017-11-20 04:38:56
XXCoder
CaptHindsight: fancy video
2017-11-20 04:41:24
CaptHindsight
XXCoder: which one?
2017-11-20 04:41:35
XXCoder
waterjet 5 axis
2017-11-20 04:42:09
CaptHindsight
did you see the multi axis plasma tube cutters as well?
2017-11-20 04:42:29
XXCoder
will watch earlier videos
2017-11-20 04:43:29
XXCoder
this? https://imgur.com/gallery/l7HpO
2017-11-20 04:45:07
XXCoder
or maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTbFvM6HYMA LOL
2017-11-20 04:45:26
XXCoder
honestly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd6l82OZd0s is last link from you before I disconnected
2017-11-20 05:44:03
monkeyisl
High,,, is there any ATC that's common for home cnc?.. or i'm dreaming
2017-11-20 05:44:58
XXCoder
ATC?
2017-11-20 05:45:10
XXCoder
aha toolchanger
2017-11-20 05:45:15
XXCoder
nope so far I know of
2017-11-20 05:45:21
monkeyisl
h...m right.
2017-11-20 05:45:26
XXCoder
though you can .. kind of do it
2017-11-20 05:45:59
XXCoder
though its bottoming out so not really safe
2017-11-20 05:46:05
monkeyisl
the problem is spindle head mount..
2017-11-20 05:47:55
XXCoder
theres lower bound on machine size for autochange
2017-11-20 05:48:07
XXCoder
though officemill at work manages it and its really tiny lol
2017-11-20 05:48:31
monkeyisl
i'm thining at least 1.5K toolchanger
2017-11-20 05:48:32
XXCoder
its cat toolholder can be enclosed completely in my hand (assuming no tool attached yet)
2017-11-20 05:49:38
monkeyisl
i mean 1.5K spindle power.
2017-11-20 05:50:09
monkeyisl
xxcoder : u got google keyword?
2017-11-20 05:50:31
XXCoder
toolchanger? dunno what machine you have?
2017-11-20 05:54:28
monkeyisl
i don't have any yet. i'm bulding
2017-11-20 05:55:58
XXCoder
ahh ok
2017-11-20 05:59:04
monkeyisl
i've seen a mahcine running mach3. and i started to clone+ upgrade it with lcnc from scartch.. cad done lm , stepper, spindle are lready.
2017-11-20 05:59:13
monkeyisl
so idon't know what i'm doing
2017-11-20 06:00:17
XXCoder
ATC is way harder than cnc itself
2017-11-20 06:00:34
monkeyisl
somebody said "mach3 sucks, lcnc rules" when i came here. so i 've decided lcnc... heh..
2017-11-20 06:00:53
monkeyisl
xxcoder : yup.
2017-11-20 06:01:07
monkeyisl
i'm not desgining it i probably buy something already done.
2017-11-20 06:01:12
XXCoder
that was me ;) and probably nearly everyone else here
2017-11-20 06:01:24
monkeyisl
oh right :D
2017-11-20 06:01:58
monkeyisl
btw i don't actaully know the difference. heh
2017-11-20 06:02:16
monkeyisl
hopefully i'll expereince soon
2017-11-20 06:04:45
monkeyisl
btw lcnc frontend looks nicer
2017-11-20 06:06:23
monkeyisl
xxcoder : you git clonced lcnc?
2017-11-20 06:06:41
XXCoder
nah I just used linuxcnc distro image install done
2017-11-20 06:06:45
XXCoder
I used 8 gb ssd
2017-11-20 06:08:47
monkeyisl
lol cool
2017-11-20 06:09:05
monkeyisl
i found 128gb ancient ssd so i'm using it
2017-11-20 06:09:10
XXCoder
its also super cheap lol
2017-11-20 06:12:32
CaptHindsight
monkeyisl: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-spindle/kl-2200atc/
2017-11-20 06:13:42
monkeyisl
clickinggggg
2017-11-20 06:14:19
XXCoder
fancy
2017-11-20 06:14:36
XXCoder
mine is MTC
2017-11-20 06:14:37
CaptHindsight
Tool Holder: ISO 20
2017-11-20 06:15:32
monkeyisl
xxcoder : yup mine will be this time. next one will have atc. i guess.
2017-11-20 06:18:13
CaptHindsight
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NSK-Nakanishi-NR-5041E-ATC-Spindle-40-000rpm-New-complete-w-accys-unused/272920297941
2017-11-20 06:19:42
CaptHindsight
that 2nd one might just have ATC as a part number
2017-11-20 06:20:04
CaptHindsight
it looks like it has a manual/threaded shaft for a nut
2017-11-20 06:22:00
CaptHindsight
it has a pneumatic fitting https://www.ebay.com/itm/NIB-NSK-Nakanishi-NR40-5100-ATC-Spindle-50-000rpm/322868244922
2017-11-20 06:22:51
CaptHindsight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqXCXX3WY9E
2017-11-20 06:23:10
CaptHindsight
tiny ATC
2017-11-20 06:23:51
CaptHindsight
http://www.nskamericacorp.com/product/detail/nr40-5100 atc
2017-11-20 06:24:57
CaptHindsight
1/8" collet
2017-11-20 06:59:41
IchGucksLive
morning
2017-11-20 07:08:13
gloops
hi
2017-11-20 07:16:52
XXCoder
hey
2017-11-20 07:17:22
XXCoder
CaptHindsight: ATC means spindle have something change tool with holder hold and release? or does it also require system to swap tools also?
2017-11-20 07:17:31
XXCoder
not too sure what range ATC covers
2017-11-20 07:18:56
CaptHindsight
a chuck that operates with air, hydraulics or solenoids qualifies
2017-11-20 07:19:24
CaptHindsight
an arm and tool carousel is icing on the cake
2017-11-20 07:19:31
XXCoder
so ATC can be used with hand just automated grab hold and relese?
2017-11-20 07:19:40
CaptHindsight
yeah
2017-11-20 07:19:51
XXCoder
okay so I understand scope more. thanks
2017-11-20 07:20:21
CaptHindsight
lots of folks modify the drawbars on BP's to operate with air
2017-11-20 07:21:48
XXCoder
would love to have atc on mine heh. dont have to set tool length again and again and..
2017-11-20 07:23:39
CaptHindsight
https://www.ebay.com/i/262974322178
2017-11-20 07:24:15
XXCoder
interesting
2017-11-20 07:38:02
IchGucksLive
the KRESS got also a noce ATC
2017-11-20 07:38:07
IchGucksLive
Nice
2017-11-20 07:38:26
IchGucksLive
im off
2017-11-20 07:38:30
IchGucksLive
Later
2017-11-20 07:41:07
gloops
well, todays little challenge, box section frame 1500x1350mm square and flat to within a mm or two
2017-11-20 07:47:37
XXCoder
gloops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=docu7RM4Tm0
2017-11-20 07:47:51
XXCoder
there is cheaper but yeah you could learn cnc stuff with that lol
2017-11-20 07:47:59
XXCoder
just dont expect fancy cutting
2017-11-20 07:49:00
gloops
very poor design
2017-11-20 07:49:34
XXCoder
it is. great intro to cnc tho
2017-11-20 07:49:47
gloops
well i suppose yeah
2017-11-20 07:50:01
gloops
there are some on ebay for little more than £100
2017-11-20 07:50:17
XXCoder
yeah. break it whatever
2017-11-20 07:50:27
XXCoder
later can do upgrades like myfordboy did
2017-11-20 07:51:00
gloops
im building a british bulldog of a machine
2017-11-20 07:51:43
archivist
brick built shit house version
2017-11-20 07:51:58
XXCoder
brick built lol
2017-11-20 07:52:12
XXCoder
someone made a 4 axis machine with lego.
2017-11-20 07:52:19
gloops
im not sure these are a good intro to cnc, they might be a good intro to cnc as a concept, getting familiar with cartesian dimensionality and software and so on
2017-11-20 07:52:21
archivist
a term used for over engineered
2017-11-20 07:52:52
XXCoder
gloops: exactly thats when risk of impact or damage is highest
2017-11-20 07:53:09
XXCoder
hell tutorial may well be to build another one of those or better design lol
2017-11-20 07:54:00
gloops
ive seen a few people on facebook buy similar things and within days theyre back - anyone know a better machine for £1500
2017-11-20 07:55:17
XXCoder
with some backlash fixes that machine may be actually ok prototype machine for pcbs
2017-11-20 07:55:30
XXCoder
besides that only use I can forsee is tutorials
2017-11-20 07:56:45
Deejay
moin
2017-11-20 07:57:47
XXCoder
gloops: or real cool machinist/engineering job
2017-11-20 07:58:06
XXCoder
"final interview part: build this part with given stuff"
2017-11-20 07:58:35
XXCoder
stuff is miscalubrated caliper, gauge of one size, this machine unbuilt and some tools to build it, couple stock
2017-11-20 07:59:44
gloops
watch as the man turns the screw to move the y axis - you can see the z flexing
2017-11-20 08:00:07
gloops
z flex = death
2017-11-20 08:01:54
archivist
z/any
2017-11-20 08:02:48
gloops
well any yes, y flex is usually manifest in z movement
2017-11-20 08:04:04
gloops
the unsupported rails although short are inadequate, the cutter is hopelessly forward of the anchor point of the gantry, considerable leverage in play
2017-11-20 08:05:03
XXCoder
yeah figured it to be fairly bad design just didnt have words
2017-11-20 08:05:30
gloops
maybe ok for engraving slowly
2017-11-20 08:07:20
XXCoder
yeah
2017-11-20 08:07:22
XXCoder
pcbs
2017-11-20 08:07:24
archivist
we had one in here show his gantry which looked like an old gate
2017-11-20 08:07:36
gloops
lol
2017-11-20 08:07:57
archivist
should have saved that image
2017-11-20 08:08:16
gloops
well scrap metal is just as strong as new metal
2017-11-20 08:08:40
XXCoder
lol I saw guy made big cnc router'
2017-11-20 08:08:48
XXCoder
it was made from lots "boxes" of wood
2017-11-20 08:08:51
XXCoder
very strong
2017-11-20 08:08:59
XXCoder
gantry was boxed also
2017-11-20 08:09:12
XXCoder
my orginial plan was to build something like that
2017-11-20 08:09:31
archivist
dj has a wooden one
2017-11-20 08:09:34
gloops
my first go i just went by instinct, this will never bend, that is plenty strong enough, - but it did bend, i was pretty amazed 2.5 inch heavy pipe could bend from routing wood
2017-11-20 08:10:26
archivist
flex is always there, it is just the amount that varies
2017-11-20 08:10:28
XXCoder
should have rubber hose fit inside then smaller hose in such way that thers no gap
2017-11-20 08:10:37
XXCoder
much more stiff but yeah still flex
2017-11-20 08:10:47
gloops
archivist said - shape trumps material - which is true, and its also true that design trumps strength of material
2017-11-20 08:11:29
gloops
you can use much lighter sections if you consider the moment effect - force applied at a distance
2017-11-20 08:11:57
gloops
2 inch wider footprint for bearings is better than 1mm thicker box section
2017-11-20 08:12:40
XXCoder
I couldnt find those pics of machine
2017-11-20 08:12:48
XXCoder
but imange this https://i.pinimg.com/236x/f4/0a/ee/f40aee81ed5306d751416ed8a1736f7d--storage-crates-wood-working.jpg
2017-11-20 08:12:54
gloops
i can stand on this box section and it doesnt move - different story if i stand on a 2ft lever under it
2017-11-20 08:12:57
XXCoder
whiole bed has that boxed style as bed
2017-11-20 08:13:01
XXCoder
*cnc router
2017-11-20 08:13:02
archivist
it is not just the rotation from a distance, it is shear, tortional twist etc
2017-11-20 08:13:15
XXCoder
and gantry is made from boxes also, all around
2017-11-20 08:13:36
gloops
wood boxes are strong, very strong
2017-11-20 08:13:44
archivist
gloops you cannot feel 10 thou by standing on something
2017-11-20 08:14:14
gloops
archivist no thats true, of course the box section is bending, but by amounts within the parameters i need
2017-11-20 08:14:26
gloops
the floor is bending when we walk on it
2017-11-20 08:15:15
archivist
I have problems with floor moving with my levels
2017-11-20 08:17:00
archivist
was awkward when I built the 5 axis at the clockworks, the floor there spanned about 20 ft
2017-11-20 08:17:24
gloops
those are strong shapes XXCoder, especially if the back is one sheet of wood, braced all round, you would never bend that plywood along the flat
2017-11-20 08:17:33
archivist
he had dug under the floor and built a basement
2017-11-20 08:18:06
gloops
columns or pillar - pit props
2017-11-20 08:18:17
XXCoder
interesting
2017-11-20 08:18:24
archivist
while I was there I jacked up the wall next to me by over an inch
2017-11-20 08:18:47
XXCoder
or jacked floor down a inch? heh
2017-11-20 08:18:52
gloops
lol
2017-11-20 08:19:32
gloops
i was once accused of lifting an upper storey bay window by 2 inch - bloke said before when he was laid in bed he could see the lighthouse, now he couldnt lol
2017-11-20 08:19:42
archivist
the supporting wall at the side was sinking into the clay, put a pillar under the wall
2017-11-20 08:20:18
archivist
bay windows do sag
2017-11-20 08:20:36
XXCoder
gloops: reprap cnc router design lol https://www.ebay.com/itm/292301284548?rmvSB=true
2017-11-20 08:20:50
gloops
it was built into the roof, would mean we'd lifted the roof 2 inch
2017-11-20 08:20:56
archivist
replacing them is a problem for the double glazing industry
2017-11-20 08:22:07
archivist
ew half plastic router
2017-11-20 08:22:17
XXCoder
like I said, reprap cnc rputer lol
2017-11-20 08:23:00
archivist
spell that correctly repcrap
2017-11-20 08:23:06
XXCoder
lol
2017-11-20 08:23:32
XXCoder
gloops: what I like about homofaciens is he shows all stuff and issues like backlash
2017-11-20 08:23:52
gloops
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3040-cnc-router-1-5KW-spindle-USB-port-100MM-Z-axis-engraving-machine-desktop/221424961059?
2017-11-20 08:24:04
gloops
big price jump for something more substantial
2017-11-20 08:24:31
XXCoder
thts somewhat better than mine
2017-11-20 08:24:43
XXCoder
spindle is lot more powerful than mine
2017-11-20 08:24:50
XXCoder
400w to 1.5kw
2017-11-20 08:25:02
gloops
1.5kw - probably overpowered
2017-11-20 08:25:55
XXCoder
one you linked is likely able to mill alum
2017-11-20 08:26:05
gloops
really doubt the machine could get anywhere near stalling that
2017-11-20 08:26:06
XXCoder
not too deep and hard but yeah
2017-11-20 08:26:52
gloops
yours will mill ally, slowly
2017-11-20 08:27:00
gloops
use yours to make the other one
2017-11-20 08:27:31
XXCoder
lol what my plan is to make large wood router, whenever has shop. which is futher off now what with water issues here :(
2017-11-20 08:27:49
XXCoder
basement is getting wetter and wetter, unknown source
2017-11-20 08:27:59
XXCoder
tomorrow someone comes to rip off floor and some walls
2017-11-20 08:28:15
gloops
someone is making an 8x4 on facebook with wood, have to see how he goes
2017-11-20 08:32:22
archivist
found it http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/img_2605.html
2017-11-20 08:32:35
XXCoder
nice
2017-11-20 08:33:08
XXCoder
3 psu 3 of what looks like tb6600s
2017-11-20 08:34:44
archivist
he made his own drivers not tb6xxx
2017-11-20 08:35:47
XXCoder
http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/img_2523.html
2017-11-20 08:48:24
gloops
some thought gone into that
2017-11-20 08:52:07
gloops
with wood its easy to think that things will be misaligned owing to the wood not being precision surfaced etc, but its consistently out of alignment, the cutter always travels the distance dictates by the screw thread
2017-11-20 08:53:05
archivist
you should mill the top surface so it is correct
2017-11-20 08:53:19
XXCoder
yeah mtmwood discovered that with his new cnc router lol
2017-11-20 08:53:36
gloops
so long as your bearing rails are right
2017-11-20 08:55:14
gloops
if the z isnt vertical for e.g, x position at z0 is different to x position at z 100
2017-11-20 08:55:21
gloops
those kind of things matter
2017-11-20 08:56:11
archivist
a level and some adjustment
2017-11-20 08:57:46
gloops
set something upright dead sqaure to the bed - run a dial up and down it
2017-11-20 08:58:28
gloops
if no dial, a scribe point or something, anything
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