#linuxcnc Log v0.1

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date_time
user
message
2017-12-15 16:28:29
IchGucksLive
rain all snow gone
2017-12-15 16:31:51
IchGucksLive
hi mo
2017-12-15 16:32:38
IchGucksLive
MaPo: legt bei euch schnee
2017-12-15 16:32:50
Deejay
wer legt schnee?
2017-12-15 16:32:59
IchGucksLive
hier in RLP is alles weg regen
2017-12-15 16:33:21
IchGucksLive
Deejay: Frau Holle
2017-12-15 16:33:34
IchGucksLive
Deejay: kanst du etwas python
2017-12-15 16:33:39
Deejay
nope
2017-12-15 16:33:48
Deejay
hab mit würgeschlangen nix am hut
2017-12-15 16:33:48
IchGucksLive
besser is das
2017-12-15 16:33:49
MaPo
it´s all green
2017-12-15 16:34:13
IchGucksLive
Green is good for Golfing
2017-12-15 16:57:25
Loetmichel
IchGucksLive: actually not if the green is soaked with ice cold rain.
2017-12-15 16:57:31
Loetmichel
:-)
2017-12-15 17:00:02
IchGucksLive
as yoiu say
2017-12-15 17:02:37
Loetmichel
been there, done that. Golfing is NO fun if you sink ankle deep into the green with every step you do
2017-12-15 17:08:27
gloops
thats me done grafting, a week of freedom, the machine will be done by xmas
2017-12-15 17:08:36
gloops
and then i will bore you no more with it lol
2017-12-15 17:09:02
archivist
lies
2017-12-15 17:09:07
gloops
once we get the 2 motors on one axis running
2017-12-15 17:09:11
gloops
and the homing sorted
2017-12-15 17:09:18
archivist
and and
2017-12-15 17:10:28
MaPo
has anyone a camera with linuxcnc working
2017-12-15 17:11:18
archivist
I wonder about cameras and their accuracy
2017-12-15 17:11:37
MaPo
i tryed to install with camview, but it dosen´t work
2017-12-15 17:12:25
gloops
is it for homing or positioning?
2017-12-15 17:12:34
gloops
or just viewing
2017-12-15 17:13:04
MaPo
ok thats not correct, the camera is ´does his job
2017-12-15 17:13:30
archivist
what job
2017-12-15 17:13:36
MaPo
for positioning
2017-12-15 17:14:23
MaPo
the video is fine
2017-12-15 17:14:26
archivist
the fun part is getting the optical axis straight and parallel with something
2017-12-15 17:15:57
gloops
you got it working now?
2017-12-15 17:17:21
Contract_Pilot
So got about 75% of all the things i need to get done - done.
2017-12-15 17:17:30
MaPo
im working with gmoocapy, and when i make a toolchange then window is hanging
2017-12-15 17:18:12
gloops
stupid plates delivered today and nobody in, back to depot
2017-12-15 17:31:41
IchGucksLive
cool name
2017-12-15 17:31:58
IchGucksLive
oh ein deutscher
2017-12-15 17:32:03
IchGucksLive
servus
2017-12-15 17:32:21
IchGucksLive
merkatorix: con wo ich Rlp
2017-12-15 18:13:08
gregcnc
https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/hvo/d/lathe/6416231720.html been buried in the corner of the shop since 1930?
2017-12-15 18:14:14
archivist
seriously old
2017-12-15 18:14:45
archivist
1940's looked a bit more rounded
2017-12-15 18:15:58
archivist
1/10 for image quality, 0/10 for realistic price
2017-12-15 18:17:16
gloops
big lump
2017-12-15 18:18:38
archivist
lacks chip tray which all later stuff had
2017-12-15 18:20:00
gloops
mine has got that flakey looking casting, it seems to have been coated in some kind of filler before being painted, a lot of which has chipped off and been painted over
2017-12-15 18:20:06
gloops
1920ish
2017-12-15 18:22:02
archivist
many/most used that filler on castings
2017-12-15 18:22:27
archivist
only thing missing on that listing is r@re
2017-12-15 18:28:20
Contract_Pilot
Anyt good Calucators for gear rations and torq Loss?
2017-12-15 18:28:32
Contract_Pilot
Ratios.
2017-12-15 18:28:56
Contract_Pilot
Going form 2:1 to 1:2
2017-12-15 18:29:11
Contract_Pilot
Vs 1:1
2017-12-15 18:29:55
archivist
plain gearing losses, that wont be in a calculator as it depends on quality
2017-12-15 18:31:09
Contract_Pilot
Well if you have a known NM or oz-in should there be a simple formula to get a best guess?
2017-12-15 18:31:32
IchGucksLive
on Ballscrews
2017-12-15 18:31:40
IchGucksLive
its 1,25
2017-12-15 18:31:50
IchGucksLive
as 400 meets 5
2017-12-15 18:32:04
archivist
the result in torque is the same as 1:1 but for losses
2017-12-15 18:32:07
IchGucksLive
its also timingbelt pullex 20/25
2017-12-15 18:32:13
IchGucksLive
eqals 1,25
2017-12-15 18:32:31
IchGucksLive
so best speed at best torque and best precision
2017-12-15 18:32:47
IchGucksLive
as 400 meets 5 with 1,25 at 0,01mm
2017-12-15 18:32:52
IchGucksLive
1 step
2017-12-15 18:33:05
IchGucksLive
this raps up a max output
2017-12-15 18:37:04
gloops
5mm screws, 2.5 - 1 timing pulleys
2017-12-15 18:37:22
gloops
hows that work out?
2017-12-15 18:37:44
archivist
question lacks clarity
2017-12-15 18:37:56
IchGucksLive
400steps times 1,25 is 500
2017-12-15 18:38:06
gloops
im not sure whats being addressed here, but thats what i have
2017-12-15 18:38:30
IchGucksLive
so 20 teeth on stepper and 25 on ballscrew will fit itt perfect as it is 1,25
2017-12-15 18:39:11
Contract_Pilot
So 20 teeth on the stepper 10 on the screw vs the opisite...
2017-12-15 18:39:39
gloops
ive got 2.5 on the stepper t0 1 on the ballscrew
2017-12-15 18:40:12
gloops
i should have bought 2010 screws
2017-12-15 18:40:43
IchGucksLive
thisd woudt have given speeeeeed
2017-12-15 18:40:48
Contract_Pilot
I am thinking of going to larger screw on the Z axis also.
2017-12-15 18:40:49
gloops
yes
2017-12-15 18:40:56
gloops
these pulleys will speed
2017-12-15 18:41:26
gloops
these screws will be pushed to the absolute limit
2017-12-15 18:42:09
gloops
Contract you can run the z screw as fast as you want
2017-12-15 18:55:12
gloops
at 800 rpm a 5mm pitch screw moves at approx 160 ipm , 800 probably the most you want to run a stepper at?
2017-12-15 18:55:20
IchGucksLive
gloops: the XL37 are mutch cheepper then T5
2017-12-15 18:55:35
gloops
already in the post Ichs
2017-12-15 18:55:49
IchGucksLive
i got thme one one mashine taking hevy load and it works quite good
2017-12-15 18:56:17
IchGucksLive
i think the next Years mashines will get inch
2017-12-15 18:56:27
IchGucksLive
as it does not matter on !
2017-12-15 18:56:30
gloops
ive got used HPC pulleys, expensive pulleys but wear unknown
2017-12-15 18:56:30
IchGucksLive
I
2017-12-15 18:58:11
gloops
if i can get the 16mm screws to run at 1600 rpm ill be happy
2017-12-15 19:21:10
IchGucksLive
Gn8
2017-12-15 19:39:57
josh_
Hi I've been trying to work on getting ngcgui embed in axis and am having no luck. is anyone available that can help
2017-12-15 19:40:06
josh_
https://pastebin.com/M32U79ut
2017-12-15 19:40:45
josh_
my axis ini currently have ngcgui stuff commented out
2017-12-15 19:41:13
josh_
axis wont run when i take away comments
2017-12-15 20:05:43
CaptHindsight
gregcnc: an old shop west of Milwaukee had a bunch of old machines, some of the accessories were still wrapped in the original wax paper
2017-12-15 20:06:11
CaptHindsight
bar feeders, trays etc
2017-12-15 20:06:36
CaptHindsight
they seem to hang on to everything
2017-12-15 20:14:05
ChRiS____
log
2017-12-15 20:14:05
c-log
ChRiS____: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2017-12-15.html
2017-12-15 20:15:09
ChRiS____
I need some help with using a hall sensor as a Spindle index channel.
2017-12-15 20:15:57
Contract_Pilot
I am thinking of going to a 25mm screw on this lathe z axis
2017-12-15 20:16:05
ChRiS____
I have already configured it with a HAL comparator pin, it goes true when hall sensor is in position.
2017-12-15 20:16:18
Contract_Pilot
the 15mm screw i think has to much flex
2017-12-15 20:16:51
gregcnc
is the screw aligned properly and not bent?
2017-12-15 20:17:00
Contract_Pilot
yes it is aligned
2017-12-15 20:17:52
ChRiS____
log
2017-12-15 20:17:52
c-log
ChRiS____: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2017-12-15.html
2017-12-15 20:23:11
gloops
what are the symptoms Contract?
2017-12-15 20:23:27
ChRiS____
Hall sensor as a Spindle index??
2017-12-15 20:23:55
gloops
ChRiS have you spoken to archivist about this?
2017-12-15 20:24:08
skunkworks
ChRiS____, just a hall sensor? or in combination with an encoder?
2017-12-15 20:25:18
ChRiS____
In combination. I have a quadrature encoder functioning for A and B.
2017-12-15 20:28:11
ChRiS____
archivist, what say you sir?
2017-12-15 20:32:13
Contract_Pilot
No Symptoms just thinking of nixing the belt and going Direct Drive.
2017-12-15 20:33:07
CaptHindsight
ChRiS____: http://encoder.com/literature/index-phasing.pdf
2017-12-15 20:33:42
Contract_Pilot
Reminds me i need to get a new encoder also.
2017-12-15 20:33:59
CaptHindsight
ChRiS____: how do you want yours to work?
2017-12-15 20:36:02
ChRiS____
It's a retro of a Fadal, so it's already there and ready to go. It functions as active low, when aligned, it outputs 0v on the signal wire output from hall sensor.
2017-12-15 20:37:39
ChRiS____
I would think i need to configure it to hit on the rising or falling edge?
2017-12-15 20:39:03
pcw_mesa
if this is for spindle synchronized moves is mus be connected to the encoder index channel
2017-12-15 20:39:13
pcw_mesa
it must be
2017-12-15 20:41:02
ChRiS____
Can you give me a little more details on this? It ouputs about .5v when not aligned, and 0v when aligned
2017-12-15 20:41:23
pcw_mesa
it needs a pullup to 5V
2017-12-15 20:41:56
Contract_Pilot
Currently using THOMSON 7820955 sero backlash double ball nuts & 5707540 screw.
2017-12-15 20:42:28
ChRiS____
Hmm, i do have a comparator pin created using an analog input. The comp pin goes true when hall sensor is aligned.
2017-12-15 20:42:50
ChRiS____
There's no way to use that comp pin as index?
2017-12-15 20:42:54
pcw_mesa
Not useful for index
2017-12-15 20:43:19
pcw_mesa
well only for very low resolution encoders
2017-12-15 20:44:21
pcw_mesa
you probably have a NPN type hall sensor, this should connect to the encoder index input
2017-12-15 20:46:16
pcw_mesa
the encoder input has a 2K Ohm pull-up resistor to 5V (TTL mode) so may work OK as-is
2017-12-15 20:46:18
Contract_Pilot
My Spindle Encoder. http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/33981861-B751-4067-93DB-BF3DB0554722-1024x768.jpeg
2017-12-15 20:49:17
ChRiS____
It is NPN.
2017-12-15 20:49:44
ChRiS____
Is there something i need to change on the board?
2017-12-15 20:50:07
pcw_mesa
right, so it should work with the encoder index input directly
2017-12-15 20:51:06
pcw_mesa
you might need to select TTL input for the index (or all A/B//index if your encoder is single ended=TTL)
2017-12-15 20:51:27
ChRiS____
A and B is quadrature
2017-12-15 20:51:47
pcw_mesa
yes quadrature but how many wires?
2017-12-15 20:52:31
ChRiS___
log
2017-12-15 20:52:32
c-log
ChRiS___: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2017-12-15.html
2017-12-15 20:53:15
ChRiS___
A and B is already functioning like it should.
2017-12-15 20:53:21
pcw_mesa
( There are 2 main quadrature encoder interfaces: TTL and differential differential has 2 wires for each signal )
2017-12-15 20:54:07
ChRiS___
Yes, A and B is differential, and already functioning as it should.
2017-12-15 20:54:10
pcw_mesa
TTL is A,B,Z Differential is A,/A B,/B Z,/Z
2017-12-15 20:55:01
pcw_mesa
so to connect your NPN index sensor to the encoder input, you must jumper the index input for TTL mode
2017-12-15 20:55:13
ChRiS___
ok
2017-12-15 20:55:23
ChRiS___
Thank you
2017-12-15 20:55:44
ChRiS___
And that has a pullup on board?
2017-12-15 20:55:57
pcw_mesa
Yes, 2K
2017-12-15 20:58:39
ChRiS___
log
2017-12-15 20:58:39
c-log
ChRiS___: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2017-12-15.html
2017-12-15 21:07:09
Contract_Pilot
I have TTL on mine i want to go Diferential
2017-12-15 21:09:47
Contract_Pilot
pcw knows his stuff for sure...
2017-12-15 21:10:20
pcw_mesa
differential is more resistant to noise but even with TTL you can get decent noise immunity by setting the encoder filter so its no faster than needed
2017-12-15 21:10:39
Contract_Pilot
it is 2000PPR
2017-12-15 21:11:55
Contract_Pilot
Do not think i need 2000PPR
2017-12-15 21:12:24
ChRiS___
No luck getting the pin to fire in HALSHOW.
2017-12-15 21:12:56
ChRiS___
Jumper for Index is set for single ended.
2017-12-15 21:13:00
pcw_mesa
measure the voltage
2017-12-15 21:13:34
pcw_mesa
and make sure the sensor ground is encoder ground
2017-12-15 21:15:17
MarcelineVQ
poo the digital rpm guage on the wood lathe here stopped reading after I moved the machine :(
2017-12-15 21:16:36
ChRiS___
Yes, same ground. Reading .5v when hall is not aligned. 0v when aligned.
2017-12-15 21:17:42
pcw_mesa
OK bad sensor maybe?
2017-12-15 21:18:13
ChRiS___
No, sensor is functioning as it should.
2017-12-15 21:18:31
pcw_mesa
Not with .5V output...
2017-12-15 21:19:05
ChRiS___
Yes, it outputs .4 to .5 volts per the manual.
2017-12-15 21:19:28
pcw_mesa
Then its not a NPN output device
2017-12-15 21:19:35
gloops
cnc wood lathe Marcel?
2017-12-15 21:19:57
MarcelineVQ
nah, the boring kind :> it has a vfd at least!
2017-12-15 21:20:20
gloops
wood lathes are great machines though
2017-12-15 21:20:44
MarcelineVQ
I'm fixing it up to make handles for my files
2017-12-15 21:21:04
gloops
nice job to do
2017-12-15 21:21:26
gloops
well, i like wood turning anyway, probably not everyones cup of tea
2017-12-15 21:22:35
ChRiS___
https://www.onlinecomponents.com/honeywell-103sr13a2.html?p=11911940
2017-12-15 21:22:45
ChRiS___
States NPN
2017-12-15 21:22:56
ChRiS___
Max output voltage; .4v
2017-12-15 21:24:09
pcw_mesa
Yes that the maximum _on_ = sinking = low voltage at the rated load current
2017-12-15 21:24:35
pcw_mesa
the output should = the pullup voltage when off
2017-12-15 21:24:50
pcw_mesa
or its bad
2017-12-15 21:25:09
pcw_mesa
or the pullup is not working somehow
2017-12-15 21:26:35
ChRiS___
It should be connected to IDX and not /IDX correct?
2017-12-15 21:26:52
pcw_mesa
makes no difference really
2017-12-15 21:27:21
pcw_mesa
I am assuming you have the NPN one (there is a analog output model)
2017-12-15 21:28:45
ChRiS___
It's NPN
2017-12-15 21:29:33
pcw_mesa
OK so its either bad or theres a problem with the pullup/wiring issue
2017-12-15 21:31:48
pcw_mesa
that is, for a NPN type sensor the output is either open (so the pullup resistor has no load current and the terminal voltage should = the power supply)
2017-12-15 21:31:50
pcw_mesa
or grounded (so the output should be no more than 0.4V with 20 mA pullup current)
2017-12-15 21:34:47
pcw_mesa
think of the NPN output terminal as being a switch to ground ( not a perfect switch , ~20 ohms in this case )
2017-12-15 21:54:29
ChRiS___
It's .4v with 20 mA current
2017-12-15 21:55:35
pcw_mesa
right so about 20 ohms when on (and nearly infinite when off)
2017-12-15 22:02:25
Deejay
gn8
2017-12-15 22:06:22
XXCoder
holy crap
2017-12-15 22:06:31
XXCoder
they added ssh client and server to windows 10
2017-12-15 22:06:38
XXCoder
80s is here now!
2017-12-15 22:07:17
jym
XXCoder: But it's M$, so it doesn't count, ZERO security =)
2017-12-15 22:07:27
XXCoder
just like 80s!
2017-12-15 22:07:40
XXCoder
well 90s really
2017-12-15 22:07:54
jym
XXCoder: Windows, the most profitable virus every created!!!
2017-12-15 22:08:03
XXCoder
lol
2017-12-15 22:08:11
XXCoder
honestly some windows was great
2017-12-15 22:08:19
XXCoder
MWGA :P
2017-12-15 22:11:16
XXCoder
windows that MS try to made fad or try something new usually sucks
2017-12-15 22:11:25
XXCoder
like windows 98 internet shit lol
2017-12-15 22:16:26
gloops
my mrs downloaded a sub 7 on her first pc with windows, few days before xmas, i wasnt paying much attention but she started getting a bit excited said there was a box with text appearing in it - then they ran format C: lol
2017-12-15 22:22:12
Contract_Pilot
I still have my actual 95 start up floppy and CD
2017-12-15 22:37:51
XXCoder
Contract_Pilot: heh yeah windows 98 bootable disk was so hard to find back then
2017-12-15 22:38:45
XXCoder
usually because win98 cd is bootable by itself, though some pcs dont support that
2017-12-15 22:38:54
Contract_Pilot
I remember my 1 gig hard drive and thought man gonna take forever to fill this up.... hahaha....
2017-12-15 22:39:02
XXCoder
lol
2017-12-15 22:39:16
Contract_Pilot
I paid some big$$$ for it also.
2017-12-15 22:42:32
gloops
just seen an interesting idea - brick engraving
2017-12-15 22:42:47
gloops
like a clay house brick
2017-12-15 22:42:49
XXCoder
hous bricks or lego engrabe
2017-12-15 22:42:51
XXCoder
ah
2017-12-15 22:43:02
XXCoder
lego brick engraving is pretty old idea
2017-12-15 22:43:12
gloops
wonder how hard baked clay is for cutting
2017-12-15 22:43:33
XXCoder
fired clay is really tough
2017-12-15 22:43:42
gloops
yeah i thought that
2017-12-15 22:43:50
XXCoder
abustive type tools maybe
2017-12-15 22:43:54
XXCoder
with tons coolling
2017-12-15 22:44:00
gloops
dust would probably wipe out ballscrews pretty quick sldo
2017-12-15 22:44:02
gloops
also
2017-12-15 22:44:20
XXCoder
dont let it make dust
2017-12-15 22:44:33
XXCoder
same as fiberglass block cutting
2017-12-15 22:44:36
gloops
yeah would have to wash it off
2017-12-15 22:44:36
XXCoder
dont let it make dust
2017-12-15 22:44:45
gregcnc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSIffrZediw
2017-12-15 22:44:46
XXCoder
dust is very bad
2017-12-15 22:45:49
gloops
ive seen granite cutting discussed on facebook, pretty hard stuff to cut, clay probably not in that league
2017-12-15 22:46:16
XXCoder
gregcnc: nice. wonder if can add probing in order to adjust engraving
2017-12-15 22:46:37
gloops
thats not a particularly heavy looking rigid machine gregcnc
2017-12-15 22:46:48
XXCoder
gloops: its bolted into concerete
2017-12-15 22:47:34
gloops
well yeah, but only a bit of ally rail
2017-12-15 22:47:45
gloops
maybe it isnt so hard
2017-12-15 22:47:49
XXCoder
just small sideload
2017-12-15 22:47:54
gregcnc
there are all kinds, it's not new
2017-12-15 22:47:55
XXCoder
high rpm
2017-12-15 22:48:03
gloops
diamond bit
2017-12-15 22:48:09
XXCoder
I want to try glass engraving sokmeday
2017-12-15 22:48:21
gloops
some money in engraving gravestones and the like
2017-12-15 22:48:24
gloops
memorials
2017-12-15 22:48:54
XXCoder
tons of companies on those
2017-12-15 22:49:02
XXCoder
including people with chisel skills
2017-12-15 22:49:26
gloops
when something is so lucrative it attracts bigger investors
2017-12-15 22:50:35
gloops
they charge a fortune for funeral related stuff, £1000 for a coffin - veneered plywood box
2017-12-15 22:52:07
XXCoder
lol try disability products
2017-12-15 22:52:15
XXCoder
$100 for deaf alarm clock
2017-12-15 22:52:27
XXCoder
hearing aid $3000
2017-12-15 22:52:31
XXCoder
each.
2017-12-15 22:54:08
gloops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKzlhdBXB7M
2017-12-15 22:54:59
XXCoder
corncob
2017-12-15 22:55:50
gloops
the routermate looks a fairly substantial machine
2017-12-15 22:55:53
XXCoder
notice that it isnt allowed to make dust
2017-12-15 22:56:30
gloops
yeah you would really have to watch the dust, well i would as using screws, probably not so bad with r&p
2017-12-15 22:56:52
gloops
health risks aside
2017-12-15 22:57:02
XXCoder
heh I made tons of fiberglass parts, and couple times I acciently let it make dust, it ate tool very fast
2017-12-15 22:57:27
gloops
so that dust will also abrade the tool?
2017-12-15 22:57:30
XXCoder
funny how super brittle fiberglass kills tool so fast
2017-12-15 22:57:49
XXCoder
not too sure on clay but yeah think so
2017-12-15 22:58:05
XXCoder
evenm properly coolant flow it still abrates pretty fast
2017-12-15 22:58:18
XXCoder
but dust it dulls tool over and over and..
2017-12-15 22:59:36
gloops
bricks caught my interest because this area was a big brick making area in the old days, every district has its own brickyard and the bricks all have the brickyards name on - people collect them and use the decoratively - like they have a wall built and have a single old brick from their town in it showing the name
2017-12-15 23:00:37
gloops
anyway bedtime
2017-12-15 23:00:47
XXCoder
night
2017-12-15 23:03:15
Contract_Pilot
240IPM on z axis no joint errors...
2017-12-15 23:03:43
Contract_Pilot
Prob never gonna use 240IPM but i know it can do it hahaha...
2017-12-15 23:05:04
XXCoder
nice
2017-12-15 23:05:10
XXCoder
watch out for policer
2017-12-15 23:05:46
XXCoder
its not even one mph lol
2017-12-15 23:09:47
Contract_Pilot
https://youtu.be/jy1LW95gyK0
2017-12-15 23:11:38
XXCoder
I think mill I run rapids is at 2000 ipm?
2017-12-15 23:11:53
XXCoder
or 10,000? forgot
2017-12-15 23:12:24
XXCoder
considering it uses tombstone pallet which weights 500 pounds thats insane
2017-12-15 23:14:02
Contract_Pilot
Yea,
2017-12-15 23:15:22
XXCoder
ah 1960 ipm
2017-12-15 23:15:43
Contract_Pilot
I bet could get 2k ipm if i went to $sevos
2017-12-15 23:15:46
XXCoder
1.8 mph
2017-12-15 23:16:46
gregcnc
they crash pretty good even at 240ipm
2017-12-15 23:16:51
Contract_Pilot
Prob only run this at 60IPM max
2017-12-15 23:17:10
Contract_Pilot
I am just playing right now...
2017-12-15 23:17:17
XXCoder
this is a61 btw https://youtu.be/uUwTP9W6sGM
2017-12-15 23:17:27
XXCoder
video shows only one machine but what I run is full cell
2017-12-15 23:18:45
Contract_Pilot
cool
2017-12-15 23:19:20
XXCoder
you can see how fast it moves
2017-12-15 23:19:31
Contract_Pilot
I took the motor off was binding when turning by hand loosned the screw for the bearing cover pop no more stalling
2017-12-15 23:20:11
Contract_Pilot
All tightnerd back up and not an issue.
2017-12-15 23:20:41
JT-Shop
XXCoder: damn quick tool change!
2017-12-15 23:20:52
XXCoder
jt lol yeah
2017-12-15 23:21:00
XXCoder
there is 3 speeds for tool change
2017-12-15 23:21:03
XXCoder
fastest is usual
2017-12-15 23:21:14
JT-Shop
slow down for a heavy tool?
2017-12-15 23:21:16
XXCoder
slowest is around 5 times slower, for very long or heavy
2017-12-15 23:22:18
Contract_Pilot
Not sure what max speed i should use...
2017-12-15 23:22:59
Tom_L
looks alot like one of the Okumas my bud had
2017-12-15 23:23:02
XXCoder
Contract_Pilot: honestly set it to somewhere between highest you tested and normal uses
2017-12-15 23:23:06
JT-Shop
pallet change is a bit slow but cool
2017-12-15 23:23:19
XXCoder
yeah it takes around 30 seconds
2017-12-15 23:23:29
Tom_L
his had a huge belt on the back side
2017-12-15 23:23:31
XXCoder
15 seconds of turning, then master control setting it up
2017-12-15 23:23:48
JT-Shop
Contract_Pilot: for steppers find out the max speed before stalling and back off 20%
2017-12-15 23:23:51
XXCoder
then it sets pallet facing zero towards spindle
2017-12-15 23:23:58
XXCoder
then it downloads program
2017-12-15 23:24:24
XXCoder
I hate how it downloads even if its second part on same pallet, and same part
2017-12-15 23:24:44
XXCoder
record is 8 parts on single opallet lol
2017-12-15 23:24:45
Contract_Pilot
It stalls out nearly 400IPM
2017-12-15 23:24:49
JT-Shop
JT-Shop needs to scrap the chicken poop off his pants and tend to the chicken n dumplings on the stove
2017-12-15 23:25:18
JT-Shop
300IPM sounds reasonable for rapids then
2017-12-15 23:25:20
Tom_L
hopefully not fresh plucked chicken
2017-12-15 23:25:24
JT-Shop
lol
2017-12-15 23:25:50
Contract_Pilot
Why i was thinking of going direct drive and set it at 120IPM
2017-12-15 23:26:00
JT-Shop
it would be tough to pluck Sweet Pea or Ruby... Henry maybe
2017-12-15 23:27:52
Contract_Pilot
But i need to go rest was a very uncomfortable morning.
2017-12-15 23:27:52
JT-Shop
see everyone in the AM
2017-12-15 23:28:35
BeachBumPete
Hey Merry Christmas Everybody :)
2017-12-15 23:29:09
XXCoder
hey. happy xmas
2017-12-15 23:29:49
BeachBumPete
anybody here familiar with PC/USB audio Interfaces?
2017-12-15 23:32:53
Contract_Pilot
Jan 12th i hope to be done with doc's for a long long time.
2017-12-15 23:33:39
Contract_Pilot
Monday the bacon gets cut been a long year.
2017-12-15 23:34:14
BeachBumPete
what do you mean the bacon gets cut?
2017-12-16 00:08:17
jdh
he's been curing pork bellies and now it's time to slice it into bacon?
2017-12-16 00:08:58
MarcelineVQ
something less appetising than that, though I'm not sure what in particular
2017-12-16 00:10:07
BeachBumPete
LOL
2017-12-16 00:15:25
BeachBumPete
so nobody has any experience with PC/USB audio interfaces then hehe
2017-12-16 00:15:46
jdh
not me.
2017-12-16 00:16:28
BeachBumPete
I am told I need one for my midi keyboard controller to increase latency performance and better sound output
2017-12-16 00:17:27
jdh
I know a whole lot of computer stuff. none of that though!
2017-12-16 00:17:38
BeachBumPete
I know thats right ;)
2017-12-16 00:19:46
jdh
I do know that this winter stuff sucks
2017-12-16 00:19:46
BeachBumPete
problem is there are TONS of these things and I don't know which one to ask Santa for
2017-12-16 00:20:01
BeachBumPete
Sure does...its been a bit chilly here ;)
2017-12-16 00:23:54
jdh
34f here tomorrow morning
2017-12-16 00:26:42
BeachBumPete
ouch
2017-12-16 00:32:31
Tom_L
BeachBumPete!
2017-12-16 00:33:00
BeachBumPete
HEY TOM!!!
2017-12-16 00:33:38
Tom_L
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Welding/Base1.jpg
2017-12-16 00:33:40
Tom_L
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Welding/Base_Column2.jpg
2017-12-16 00:34:07
BeachBumPete
T-T-T-T-T-Tackin' it up!!
2017-12-16 00:34:22
Tom_L
gonna make it more permanent tonight
2017-12-16 00:34:45
Tom_L
finally figured out what was wrong with the welder. that was slowing me dow
2017-12-16 00:35:19
BeachBumPete
what was the problem?
2017-12-16 00:35:38
Tom_L
the damn feed tube had pulled out of the welder enough to cause the o rings to break the gas seal
2017-12-16 00:35:55
BeachBumPete
ooh ouchie
2017-12-16 00:36:15
Tom_L
i saw the needle pulse so i figured i was getting gas
2017-12-16 00:36:33
Tom_L
kept searching and finally stuck a balloon on the end of the nozzle
2017-12-16 00:36:34
Tom_L
nothing
2017-12-16 00:37:13
BeachBumPete
Doh!
2017-12-16 00:37:34
Tom_L
it's just not that old to have something wrong with it
2017-12-16 00:37:47
BeachBumPete
what model?
2017-12-16 00:37:57
Tom_L
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Welding/Miller.jpg
2017-12-16 00:38:10
Tom_L
i've had it a few years but not used much
2017-12-16 00:38:13
BeachBumPete
ooh thats a nice one
2017-12-16 00:38:24
Tom_L
small
2017-12-16 00:38:33
Tom_L
but big enough for the stuff i'll ever do
2017-12-16 00:38:42
BeachBumPete
we had its bigger brother in aother shop I worked in
2017-12-16 00:39:47
Tom_L
what causes the brown soot around a weld?
2017-12-16 00:40:01
Tom_L
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Welding/test_bead2.jpg
2017-12-16 00:40:16
Tom_L
that was when i was still testing
2017-12-16 00:40:20
BeachBumPete
that looks decent to me
2017-12-16 00:40:37
BeachBumPete
could be a little hotter maybe
2017-12-16 00:40:49
Tom_L
i need a little more practice with wire, i've done plenty of stick
2017-12-16 00:40:59
Tom_L
yeah i had it turned down a little there
2017-12-16 00:41:23
Tom_L
i don't think it would break though
2017-12-16 00:41:50
BeachBumPete
I doubt it would break either
2017-12-16 00:42:02
BeachBumPete
like I said it looks pretty good to me
2017-12-16 00:42:26
Tom_L
i think i'll just run short beads instead of a long continuous bead to help avoid warping
2017-12-16 00:42:34
BeachBumPete
sure
2017-12-16 00:42:46
Tom_L
couple inches or so maybe
2017-12-16 00:43:04
Tom_L
i'm gonna fill in around those on the column more too
2017-12-16 00:43:07
BeachBumPete
amazing what a couple inches of bead can do
2017-12-16 00:43:36
BeachBumPete
I am quitting my job here
2017-12-16 00:43:45
Tom_L
why?
2017-12-16 00:43:59
BeachBumPete
I met a guy at a local materials supplier we use
2017-12-16 00:44:04
Tom_L
gonna head out to the garage... brb
2017-12-16 00:44:06
BeachBumPete
we were just chatting about stuff
2017-12-16 00:44:12
BeachBumPete
Ok later
2017-12-16 00:46:51
Tom_shop
log
2017-12-16 00:46:51
c-log
Tom_shop: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2017-12-15.html
2017-12-16 00:48:58
Tom_shop
ok now why are you quitting?
2017-12-16 00:55:49
BeachBumPete
well basically I met a fellow at one of our local materials suppliers
2017-12-16 00:55:58
BeachBumPete
we started chatting about work and stuff
2017-12-16 00:56:17
BeachBumPete
he told me he works in a high end shop that does work in Palm Beach, Jupiter Island, and Miami
2017-12-16 00:56:38
BeachBumPete
we started showing each other photos of previous work we did kinda comparing LOL
2017-12-16 00:56:44
BeachBumPete
next thing I know he offers me a job
2017-12-16 00:56:55
BeachBumPete
I was like well I already have a job LOL
2017-12-16 00:56:58
Tom_shop
doing what?
2017-12-16 00:57:09
BeachBumPete
so he says maybe we can talk you out of it
2017-12-16 00:57:20
BeachBumPete
building high end custom wood and metalworks
2017-12-16 00:57:32
BeachBumPete
for multi million dollar mansions
2017-12-16 00:57:44
Tom_shop
sounds like gravy work
2017-12-16 00:58:06
BeachBumPete
he setup a meeting with the owner of the company and it went really well.
2017-12-16 00:58:32
BeachBumPete
they offered me a bunch more money and some more CAD design stuff than I have been doing where I am
2017-12-16 00:58:41
BeachBumPete
so I decided to accept the offer.
2017-12-16 00:58:48
BeachBumPete
I start after the first of the year
2017-12-16 00:58:57
BeachBumPete
kinda nervous as hell about it tho
2017-12-16 00:59:00
Tom_shop
nice
2017-12-16 00:59:04
BeachBumPete
they do some FINE work there
2017-12-16 00:59:10
Tom_shop
told your boss yet?
2017-12-16 00:59:15
BeachBumPete
well yes and no
2017-12-16 00:59:24
BeachBumPete
I told them I had the interview
2017-12-16 00:59:32
BeachBumPete
they kinda got upset at me
2017-12-16 00:59:44
BeachBumPete
then they offered me like $5 more an hour to stay
2017-12-16 00:59:49
Tom_shop
maybe they'll offer you more to stay
2017-12-16 00:59:56
Tom_shop
haha
2017-12-16 00:59:58
BeachBumPete
yeah they did
2017-12-16 01:00:06
BeachBumPete
and I thought about it
2017-12-16 01:00:21
BeachBumPete
but I am not really doing the high end work I was doing in Tennessee
2017-12-16 01:00:28
BeachBumPete
and I kinda miss the challenge
2017-12-16 01:00:43
BeachBumPete
I also want to do more design work
2017-12-16 01:00:47
Tom_shop
if it's more the challenge you want then go for it
2017-12-16 01:02:26
BeachBumPete
well it is kinda both I am excited about getting paid a good bit more AND I want to do wicked cool stuff ;)
2017-12-16 01:02:53
BeachBumPete
he showed me a BUNCH of pictures of their recent work
2017-12-16 01:03:11
BeachBumPete
they recently did a lot of work on the Kennedy Mansion Renovation for the current owners
2017-12-16 01:03:16
BeachBumPete
some very nice stuff
2017-12-16 01:03:57
BeachBumPete
similar to what I did in Tennessee but a bit ....well....larger and maybe nicer?
2017-12-16 01:05:23
BeachBumPete
The owner said he wants to add CNC machining to their services for custom parts as well. They apparently do a lot of ornate metal workings
2017-12-16 01:05:40
BeachBumPete
when I told him I have a VMC in my garage he got kinda excited.
2017-12-16 01:06:18
BeachBumPete
apparently he owned a large corporation in michigan a few years back that did work for the automotive industry making molds and bucks for the prototype parts and some of the production parts.
2017-12-16 01:07:13
BeachBumPete
he has a LOT of 3D machining experience
2017-12-16 01:07:23
BeachBumPete
some rather impressive and large parts
2017-12-16 01:07:38
BeachBumPete
I hope to learn a lot from these guys and make some nice stuff
2017-12-16 01:07:42
BeachBumPete
we shall see....
2017-12-16 01:12:21
BeachBumPete
Tom_L so what are you getting for Christmas?
2017-12-16 01:12:46
Tom_shop
coal
2017-12-16 01:12:53
BeachBumPete
hehehe
2017-12-16 01:12:57
BeachBumPete
me too man
2017-12-16 01:13:28
Tom_shop
just got back from a trip to Ga, got these ballscrews and had to get a $1k tool for work
2017-12-16 01:13:32
Tom_shop
so probably not much
2017-12-16 01:13:42
BeachBumPete
nice
2017-12-16 01:13:47
BeachBumPete
what screws did you get?
2017-12-16 01:13:55
Tom_shop
chinaco crap
2017-12-16 01:13:59
BeachBumPete
ah
2017-12-16 01:14:07
Tom_shop
but better than this sherline
2017-12-16 01:14:18
BeachBumPete
I had the roton I think it was in my RF45
2017-12-16 01:14:22
Tom_shop
it'll be fine for the stuff i do around here
2017-12-16 01:14:36
BeachBumPete
they were actually quite good
2017-12-16 01:15:05
BeachBumPete
made all sorts of shit with that machine in the couple years after it was retrofit before I sold it
2017-12-16 01:15:24
BeachBumPete
sure wish I knew about linuxCNC back then tho
2017-12-16 01:15:28
BeachBumPete
Mach kinda sucked
2017-12-16 01:15:50
BeachBumPete
well at least I did not KNOW it sucked at the time unless it really screwed up
2017-12-16 01:15:54
Tom_shop
i figure this one should be rigid enough to do just about anything i need around here
2017-12-16 01:16:08
BeachBumPete
I dont doubt that
2017-12-16 01:16:12
Tom_shop
i'm gonna have my bud mill all the stuff flat after i weld it
2017-12-16 01:16:37
Tom_shop
and i gotta cut one of the screws down a bit
2017-12-16 01:21:55
BeachBumPete
sweet
2017-12-16 01:22:03
BeachBumPete
dinner is served :)
2017-12-16 01:22:13
BeachBumPete
BBL
2017-12-16 04:19:32
Contract_Pilot
Darn no nap tried but ups came...
2017-12-16 04:22:23
Contract_Pilot
Paying for 200MB/25MB wired exceed it wireless even with AC cards = http://speedtest.xfinity.com/results/JB8TY468WK3YPLV but much better then thre old N cards
2017-12-16 04:23:37
roycroft
i'm watching last week's episode of "a craftsman's legacy" right now
2017-12-16 04:23:40
Contract_Pilot
Then foregot to remove pin 51 on the PCIE for the older laptop = win7 blue screen and dead dog slow
2017-12-16 04:23:58
roycroft
eric went to the gerstner factory
2017-12-16 04:24:16
roycroft
there's an incredible amount of hand work that goes into building their tool chests
2017-12-16 04:25:16
Contract_Pilot
And then he came back with another package whooo hoo... will make path pilot updats just an INI file edit http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/784DF359-A492-4592-A600-6B6D0319C1A9-1024x768.jpeg
2017-12-16 04:28:43
Contract_Pilot
Almost unobtainable
2017-12-16 05:02:24
anonnumberanon
tired af, want to watch a intro to machining video please post suggestions
2017-12-16 05:02:33
anonnumberanon
i can do nothing productive
2017-12-16 06:23:01
gloops
my next 2 days is mainly about drilling
2017-12-16 06:26:11
Tom_L
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Welding/Frame_Weld1.jpg
2017-12-16 06:26:13
Tom_L
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Welding/Column_Supports1.jpg
2017-12-16 06:28:42
gloops
done well there Tom, i can see from the pics the base hasnt twisted
2017-12-16 06:30:22
Tom_L
it's pretty flat
2017-12-16 06:30:37
Tom_L
i tried to be careful with it
2017-12-16 06:47:26
IchGucksLive
hi
2017-12-16 06:47:47
gloops
wonder how these pump coolant https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300-L-H-Mini-Submersible-Water-Pump-for-Aquarium-Small-Water-Feature-UK-Stock/222657241524?
2017-12-16 06:47:49
IchGucksLive
Tom_L: heavy mashine build
2017-12-16 06:48:22
IchGucksLive
gloops: there are 240V
2017-12-16 06:48:36
IchGucksLive
i got them on the concrete saw
2017-12-16 06:48:52
IchGucksLive
it takes a massive load of dirt warer
2017-12-16 06:48:58
IchGucksLive
water
2017-12-16 06:50:17
gloops
those little pond pumps Ichs?
2017-12-16 06:50:23
gloops
might get one of those then
2017-12-16 06:50:36
IchGucksLive
not that little i got
2017-12-16 06:51:04
Tom_L
hopefully it will cut good
2017-12-16 06:52:24
gloops
i guess with milling a lot is down to the bearings
2017-12-16 06:52:31
IchGucksLive
Aquaristik got alot
2017-12-16 06:52:35
IchGucksLive
filters
2017-12-16 06:52:44
IchGucksLive
boxes for the chips
2017-12-16 06:52:53
IchGucksLive
all around 10 uros
2017-12-16 06:53:01
gloops
yeah pond pumps take some dirt, not so much dust though
2017-12-16 06:53:06
gloops
like stone dust
2017-12-16 06:53:22
IchGucksLive
chipfilter https://www.hornbach.de/shop/Filtereinsatz-fuer-Aussenfilter-2226-2228/5019695/artikel.html
2017-12-16 06:54:07
gloops
do you do any stone engraving Ichs?
2017-12-16 06:54:42
IchGucksLive
indeed i did with the glas/keramic bid
2017-12-16 06:55:34
gloops
advisable on a wood router - or build a machine just for stone - i think the dust would kill ballscrews pretty quick
2017-12-16 06:56:06
IchGucksLive
This is the Pump i use https://www.hornbach.de/shop/Pumpenkopf-JBL-ProCristal-i30/6122606/artikel.html
2017-12-16 06:56:46
IchGucksLive
gloops: the wood doest does near the same
2017-12-16 06:56:53
gloops
ill get one of those rigged up
2017-12-16 06:57:24
gloops
not for stone, just want to try it with aluminium
2017-12-16 06:58:29
gloops
small pond pump, chip filter, some aquarium air pipe - coolant systen
2017-12-16 07:00:09
IchGucksLive
alu is best to use sharp dry up to 6mm
2017-12-16 07:00:28
IchGucksLive
and todorial milling of cause
2017-12-16 07:01:56
gloops
wont it get hot?
2017-12-16 07:02:47
IchGucksLive
bo
2017-12-16 07:02:50
IchGucksLive
no
2017-12-16 07:03:07
IchGucksLive
my fingers wont press the keys this morning
2017-12-16 07:03:15
IchGucksLive
getting to old for the keyboard
2017-12-16 07:03:41
IchGucksLive
gloops: did you see my HArdwood mill on the crap cnc
2017-12-16 07:03:55
gloops
no dont think so Ichs
2017-12-16 07:03:59
IchGucksLive
i grap the bit after the real hard path
2017-12-16 07:04:12
gloops
hmm interesting
2017-12-16 07:04:39
IchGucksLive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdvROAlCMMQ
2017-12-16 07:04:48
IchGucksLive
get to theend
2017-12-16 07:04:59
IchGucksLive
where i grab the bit with finger
2017-12-16 07:07:04
gloops
oh yeah, i did watch that
2017-12-16 07:07:39
IchGucksLive
under that hard condicion i can only cut 700mm/min
2017-12-16 07:07:44
IchGucksLive
but this is ok
2017-12-16 07:07:48
IchGucksLive
as we got time
2017-12-16 07:08:18
IchGucksLive
the bit stays alive that is the main part
2017-12-16 07:08:27
IchGucksLive
or must
2017-12-16 07:09:54
gloops
well a bit of coolant on ally wouldnt hurt
2017-12-16 07:10:40
Tom_L
IchGucksLive did you make that plate or buy it?
2017-12-16 07:10:56
Tom_L
in the video
2017-12-16 07:12:57
IchGucksLive
Plate?
2017-12-16 07:13:06
IchGucksLive
the table
2017-12-16 07:13:15
Tom_L
yeah the table
2017-12-16 07:13:30
IchGucksLive
made self
2017-12-16 07:13:40
Tom_L
what size holes?
2017-12-16 07:13:40
IchGucksLive
Raw material from polen 10Euros
2017-12-16 07:13:41
Tom_L
and bolts
2017-12-16 07:13:44
Tom_L
8mm?
2017-12-16 07:13:51
Tom_L
6mm?
2017-12-16 07:13:56
IchGucksLive
its M6/M8 25mm square
2017-12-16 07:14:08
Tom_L
ok that's about what i'm gonna do i think
2017-12-16 07:14:17
Tom_L
mine is about 9 x 30" though
2017-12-16 07:18:09
IchGucksLive
Did one see a er11 clamp with a 8mm shaft
2017-12-16 07:18:31
IchGucksLive
they most got it the other way D16 with 8mm hole
2017-12-16 07:18:53
IchGucksLive
this looses 20mm on workspace
2017-12-16 07:35:30
IchGucksLive
ok c8 er11a is the only option i got
2017-12-16 07:43:37
IchGucksLive
off ;-)
2017-12-16 08:04:44
Deejay
moin
2017-12-16 08:08:41
gloops
well off to collect some ally, another 50lbs going on the gantry
2017-12-16 08:10:48
gloops
all he ever does is talk about this machine, they say, but where is it? where is the machine?
2017-12-16 08:11:01
gloops
rest assured, it is coming, it is coming!!!
2017-12-16 09:44:47
Stelios
Hello there. I would really need your help once more. I am a new LCNC user with this setup:
2017-12-16 09:44:55
Stelios
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-Axis-MACH3-CNC-Breakout-Board-Interface-for-Stepper-Motor-Driver/121924104910?epid=1544221702&hash=item1c633e32ce:g:jXsAAOSwDNdVjj88
2017-12-16 09:45:02
Stelios
https://s18.postimg.org/ya1kf5wo9/20160827_213305.jpg
2017-12-16 09:45:59
Stelios
i am trying to config LCNC but when i finish something isnt right.The sound of the motors and the speed isn correct
2017-12-16 09:46:30
Stelios
Does any1 beed familier with this setup?
2017-12-16 10:09:45
gloops
yes popular board
2017-12-16 10:10:07
gloops
speed isnt correct?
2017-12-16 10:10:30
archivist
have you wired the motors correctly
2017-12-16 10:17:27
gloops
cant see the dipswitch settings - maybe amps low
2017-12-16 10:18:26
gloops
psu setting - volts low?
2017-12-16 10:23:04
Wolf__
step setting?
2017-12-16 10:23:16
archivist
without some reply and sensible feedback.....
2017-12-16 10:23:56
archivist
more important will it rain here today, will I get wet if I change the kitchen window
2017-12-16 10:23:57
gloops
probably working on it
2017-12-16 10:24:24
gloops
archivist get it ripped out
2017-12-16 10:24:37
archivist
hehe
2017-12-16 10:24:37
gloops
theres no such thing as bad weather - only bad clothing
2017-12-16 10:24:54
archivist
I dont have good clothing
2017-12-16 10:25:07
archivist
I did one yesterday
2017-12-16 10:25:27
gloops
you picked the right time of year lol
2017-12-16 10:26:16
archivist
I used a certain leverage to get them when I could
2017-12-16 10:28:12
gloops
if its a wooden frame i usually strip the middle framework out, then cut into the sides near the bottom, at an upward angle, that allows the top of the side to be released - chisel in between the brickwork, then a crow bar, boooshter
2017-12-16 10:29:06
gloops
or if i want to take extra care, cut a complete noggin out with saw and chisel, then crow bar
2017-12-16 10:29:11
archivist
I have to cut all 5 bars, as all built into brickwork
2017-12-16 10:29:21
gloops
ahh lugged in
2017-12-16 10:29:50
archivist
and the worst lintels you can imagine for 1960
2017-12-16 10:30:36
gloops
probably better cutting a noggin out in the middle to allow the frames to be drawn to the centre, some of those heavy lugged frames take some work to get out
2017-12-16 10:30:55
gloops
reciprocating saw
2017-12-16 10:31:57
archivist
I have a couple of those saws, the battery one did wonders yesterday
2017-12-16 10:32:35
archivist
the aldi/lidl one for gardening
2017-12-16 10:33:54
gloops
have had some of the old frames where they were lugged in 8 inch, and also 5 inch nails knocked into the brick joints to pin them in, sawing and chiselling away for ages
2017-12-16 10:37:10
archivist
got the glass out ready, was about to get tools and it is raining
2017-12-16 10:37:41
archivist
forecast is only light stuff though
2017-12-16 10:38:28
gloops
nothing here yet
2017-12-16 10:40:10
archivist
watching the chart this morning there is a lump of cloud south of you right over here
2017-12-16 10:40:42
archivist
as much as you can tell with the crappy BBC weather chart these days
2017-12-16 10:41:59
jthornton
morning
2017-12-16 10:55:32
XXCoder
hey all
2017-12-16 10:55:35
XXCoder
hey jthornton
2017-12-16 10:56:51
jthornton
what's up this morning?
2017-12-16 10:57:29
XXCoder
not much just got home from work
2017-12-16 10:58:00
XXCoder
so much overtime heh
2017-12-16 10:58:19
jthornton
Friday night is overtime?
2017-12-16 10:58:25
XXCoder
yeah 40/4
2017-12-16 10:59:07
jthornton
ah 10 hour shifts
2017-12-16 10:59:22
XXCoder
yeah
2017-12-16 10:59:31
XXCoder
normally biz goes slow on nov-jan
2017-12-16 10:59:36
XXCoder
but its really hopping now...
2017-12-16 10:59:44
XXCoder
aand people tend to take 2 week vacations lol
2017-12-16 11:15:28
jthornton
http://gnipsel.com/images/chickens/nestbox/
2017-12-16 11:15:56
jthornton
gotta get the roll out nest box installed today, going to rain tomorrow
2017-12-16 11:15:57
XXCoder
ah feeder
2017-12-16 11:16:01
XXCoder
or nest
2017-12-16 11:16:48
jthornton
http://gnipsel.com/images/chickens/feeder/feeder-05.jpg
2017-12-16 11:17:07
XXCoder
ya
2017-12-16 11:17:07
jthornton
I have to move the feeder over to the left to make room for the nest box
2017-12-16 11:37:27
XXCoder
check this out jthornton https://youtu.be/oUE3zWnZbTo
2017-12-16 11:42:58
MarcelineVQ
had an idea for a wall-lightswitch replacement that makes the light come on when you open the door, and off when you shut the door, unless the switch is toggled in which case it's just on as usual. Or maybe a 3 position switch, off, auto, on.
2017-12-16 11:43:44
jthornton
I have a few lights that have motion detectors in them and when you open the door to the laundry room the light comes on
2017-12-16 11:43:48
MarcelineVQ
I'm in and out of my little work area so often that such a thing would be useful, though less useful than just fun to have because led lamps don't cost all that much to leave on for the day
2017-12-16 11:44:54
MarcelineVQ
motion detectors? interesting option. I was thinking of a magnet on the door hehe
2017-12-16 11:45:59
XXCoder
is room cnc room?
2017-12-16 11:46:00
MarcelineVQ
distance sensor is an option if it's mounted right at the frametop too I guess, trying to avoid false toggles from walking in and out though
2017-12-16 11:46:08
jthornton
you see motion detection switches a lot in public bathrooms in C stores
2017-12-16 11:46:15
XXCoder
motion based light isnt good idea for cnc room, reach for tool and darkness
2017-12-16 11:47:10
MarcelineVQ
It'll have a machine in it, but it's not a dedicated machine area. if a person is spending time in the room they'll turn the switch to on, it's more for when I want to duck in a grab a tool
2017-12-16 11:47:39
XXCoder
motion sensor type with switch bypass to stay on
2017-12-16 11:47:48
jthornton
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Lutron-Maestro-Motion-Sensor-switch-2-Amp-Single-Pole-White-MS-OPS2H-WH/203202128
2017-12-16 11:47:52
MarcelineVQ
Which is why I'm leaning towards maghent and reed at the frame-top where metal is unlikely to linger
2017-12-16 11:47:54
XXCoder
not bad idea though might develop habit to just leave on lol
2017-12-16 11:57:28
MarcelineVQ
oop lost this window for a bit. XXCoder: yes realistically it makes most sense just to leave it on, but it'd be fun to experiment :> jthornton: thanks for the link, I'll have to find a review about reliability with those
2017-12-16 11:57:44
MarcelineVQ
hoho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxJc57T_dwU
2017-12-16 11:57:59
jthornton
that was just the first example I found
2017-12-16 11:58:26
XXCoder
new obession motorsport
2017-12-16 11:59:50
stelios
Hello any1 here that can help me with a tb6560 config?
2017-12-16 12:00:10
XXCoder
stelios: yeah start by throwing away tb6560 and buy BOB and tb6600s
2017-12-16 12:00:20
archivist
he has the right bb
2017-12-16 12:00:31
stelios
haha
2017-12-16 12:00:44
archivist
stelios, you need to ask better questions we dont know the problem
2017-12-16 12:01:47
stelios
I have these drivers https://s18.postimg.org/ya1kf5wo9/20160827_213305.jpg
2017-12-16 12:02:22
stelios
and this BB https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/image/cache/catalog/stepper-driver/5-axis-cnc-breakout-board-interface-mach3-cnc-router-kit-408-1000x1000.JPG
2017-12-16 12:02:31
MarcelineVQ
10x better than my drivers :>
2017-12-16 12:02:58
stelios
and i cant find the right config in LCNC to make them run correctly
2017-12-16 12:03:28
stelios
i get vibrations, and the machin stops at speeds that it didnt stop with mach3
2017-12-16 12:04:06
jthornton
your step timing could be too low
2017-12-16 12:04:20
archivist
or acceleration too fast
2017-12-16 12:04:22
MarcelineVQ
if you can't find a right config then you should try sharing your config, possibly also including screnshots of the stepconf
2017-12-16 12:05:05
stelios
the accelatation is the same that i used on Mach3 and it was working without problems
2017-12-16 12:07:17
stelios
As for the step timings i used what LCNC users recommended for the tb6560 drivers
2017-12-16 12:07:35
stelios
5000,5000,20000,20000
2017-12-16 12:08:12
jthornton
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TB6560
2017-12-16 12:09:11
jthornton
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/27-driver-boards/25875-problem-driving-steppers-problem-with-tb6560
2017-12-16 12:09:30
XXCoder
yeah thats why I said to throw away tb6560
2017-12-16 12:09:37
jthornton
google tb6560 site:linuxcnc.org gives 207 results
2017-12-16 12:09:56
XXCoder
I suggled with it bunch times, threw it away got tb6600 boom great
2017-12-16 12:10:29
stelios
i know the result of the google search i am trying to fix it for 2 weeks now.
2017-12-16 12:10:47
stelios
thats why i came here coz i have tryed almost everythin i see
2017-12-16 12:15:47
MarcelineVQ
sooo, what's your config?
2017-12-16 12:24:35
stelios
do you want me to upload my ini file?
2017-12-16 12:27:44
MarcelineVQ
sure and hal. I can't read them well myself, I tend to use stepconf currently, but your ini and hal files are the least of what people would need to see to know if your setup is the issue
2017-12-16 12:28:01
jthornton
use a pastebin
2017-12-16 12:28:05
MarcelineVQ
So if you're asking for help about configs, that's the route
2017-12-16 12:28:11
jthornton
http://paste.ubuntu.com/
2017-12-16 12:32:23
stelios
http://paste.ubuntu.com/26194118 ini file
2017-12-16 12:32:42
stelios
http://paste.ubuntu.com/26194123 hal file
2017-12-16 12:44:34
jthornton
they look normal to me
2017-12-16 12:45:26
stelios
yea but everything works far away from normal..
2017-12-16 12:46:28
jthornton
what is the result of your latency test
2017-12-16 12:46:44
stelios
29416
2017-12-16 12:47:23
jthornton
hmm that is good enough for software step generation
2017-12-16 12:48:20
stelios
main problem is that the motors sound somehow weird
2017-12-16 12:48:20
XXCoder
jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz_90ffOoTY
2017-12-16 12:48:28
stelios
they vibrate
2017-12-16 12:50:08
stelios
is this vibration a result of step timing or maybe a problem of tb6560 hardware?
2017-12-16 12:50:37
stelios
except of all these in mach3 everything was working smoothly
2017-12-16 12:52:58
jthornton
jthornton wanders off to start his day
2017-12-16 12:56:37
MarcelineVQ
whats your microstepping set to? this is all I can think of that would effect vibration. Unless rising or falling edge settings can affect that, I don't know how to set that sort of thing but it's something else to search on.
2017-12-16 12:57:18
MarcelineVQ
Are the motors moving the correct distance despite the vibration?
2017-12-16 12:57:29
ChRiS_
log
2017-12-16 12:57:29
c-log
ChRiS_: Today's Log http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2017-12-16.html
2017-12-16 12:58:09
MarcelineVQ
some info here, dunno how helpful to your problem http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TweakingSoftwareStepGeneration
2017-12-16 13:38:57
slipalong
Hi can someone help with an error In getting with the G code from F360
2017-12-16 13:39:28
slipalong
tool cage T10 M6
2017-12-16 13:39:36
slipalong
tool change
2017-12-16 13:39:52
slipalong
T10 M6 then T13
2017-12-16 13:40:24
slipalong
LinucCNC is moaning that TOOL 6 doesn't exist, but its too 13 Im loading??
2017-12-16 13:44:51
_methods
why don't you pastebin the full code so people can see what you have in your gcode
2017-12-16 13:44:57
_methods
that's always helpful
2017-12-16 13:45:11
_methods
might be something else going on we can't see
2017-12-16 13:48:40
slipalong
If I edit the files and simply do a M6 T13 to change to tool 13 its happy
2017-12-16 13:49:00
slipalong
so its the T10 M6 that is confusing things
2017-12-16 14:11:28
Tom_L
always glad to help :)
2017-12-16 14:11:39
Tom_L
come back when you can stay a while
2017-12-16 14:12:40
stelios
MarcelineVQ microstepping is set to 1/2 and yes the motors travel the correct distance
2017-12-16 14:18:25
IchGucksLive
hi
2017-12-16 14:20:05
Tom_L
hello Germany
2017-12-16 14:20:34
IchGucksLive
stelios: i use tb6560 alot what is your problem
2017-12-16 14:22:33
IchGucksLive
slipaong still on ?
2017-12-16 14:22:51
Tom_L
he left
2017-12-16 14:22:58
IchGucksLive
_methods: Lcnc loads no tool trhat is not in tooltable
2017-12-16 14:23:13
IchGucksLive
and as there are only 6 inside it wont load T10
2017-12-16 14:23:38
IchGucksLive
Tom_L: you shoudt have known this also
2017-12-16 14:23:45
Tom_L
i do
2017-12-16 14:23:50
IchGucksLive
WE need to get this inside the WIKI
2017-12-16 14:23:53
Tom_L
he left before anyone could answer
2017-12-16 14:24:10
Tom_L
you can't stab someone with a fork you don't have
2017-12-16 14:24:15
_methods
yep
2017-12-16 14:24:24
_methods
and he still didn't paste his code
2017-12-16 14:24:43
IchGucksLive
at stelios BASE_PERIOD = 50000
2017-12-16 14:24:53
Tom_L
he'll either fight it forever, give up or come back and ask nicely
2017-12-16 14:25:01
IchGucksLive
get this up to 100000
2017-12-16 14:25:16
Tom_L
IchGucksLive see my frame?
2017-12-16 14:25:42
IchGucksLive
yes nice ser
2017-12-16 14:25:47
IchGucksLive
sir
2017-12-16 14:25:50
_methods
welding going better with some gas flow?
2017-12-16 14:25:52
_methods
:)
2017-12-16 14:25:56
Tom_L
hah
2017-12-16 14:26:09
IchGucksLive
what are you going to drill
2017-12-16 14:26:12
IchGucksLive
tank steel
2017-12-16 14:26:24
Tom_L
if i need to
2017-12-16 14:26:35
IchGucksLive
this frame will take a 2inch drill
2017-12-16 14:27:05
MarcelineVQ
Let's hope so, that means there's enough tolerance built in to take a 1/2"
2017-12-16 14:27:12
IchGucksLive
stelios: 400steps/mm loses alot of speed about 4 times
2017-12-16 14:27:32
IchGucksLive
as 100Steps per mm fits the best Speed Torque precision
2017-12-16 14:27:58
IchGucksLive
MarcelineVQ: he got a good grinder
2017-12-16 14:29:56
MarcelineVQ
By tolerance in this case I mean you should double what you think a machine needs, then double that because humans are mostly bad at estimation, so if it can do 2" it's good for 1/2" by that loose reasoning
2017-12-16 14:51:39
stelios
Hi InGucks if I change in the .ini file at SCALE=400 and make it 100 the travel is not the actual
2017-12-16 14:54:39
stelios
now Im on Half step so the the right number in the .ini file at SCALE is 400,so to have the actual travel
2017-12-16 14:55:03
stelios
You mean to set it on whole step?
2017-12-16 15:01:05
IchGucksLive
stello did you increse the microsteping
2017-12-16 15:01:20
IchGucksLive
what spoindle you got
2017-12-16 15:01:33
IchGucksLive
stelios: the tread pitch
2017-12-16 15:01:45
IchGucksLive
1Rev
2017-12-16 15:01:57
IchGucksLive
ballscrews normaly got 5mm
2017-12-16 15:02:19
stelios
mine is 1204 means that 4mm per rev
2017-12-16 15:02:37
IchGucksLive
SO why not Halfstepping
2017-12-16 15:02:49
IchGucksLive
this gets you to 200*2 = 400
2017-12-16 15:02:53
stelios
im a little confused....
2017-12-16 15:02:59
IchGucksLive
#YOU got the best and make it worse
2017-12-16 15:03:07
archivist
ich never reads every thing
2017-12-16 15:03:14
IchGucksLive
then you see the double speed
2017-12-16 15:03:15
stelios
in reality i dont know if my drivers sre set in microstepping
2017-12-16 15:03:41
IchGucksLive
it seams set to 4
2017-12-16 15:03:51
stelios
i just put 200 steps in stepconfig
2017-12-16 15:04:15
IchGucksLive
so lets start over
2017-12-16 15:04:16
stelios
1/2 microstepping
2017-12-16 15:04:27
IchGucksLive
YES this is what you want
2017-12-16 15:04:29
stelios
and 4mm pitch per rev
2017-12-16 15:04:48
IchGucksLive
this brings you to 100Stepsper mm
2017-12-16 15:04:52
stelios
after that my .iini has SCALE=100
2017-12-16 15:05:05
stelios
yes but the actual reading is not right
2017-12-16 15:05:23
stelios
i mean 1mm travel in lcnc its not 1mm in reality
2017-12-16 15:05:29
IchGucksLive
thats why you need to set the DIP
2017-12-16 15:05:36
stelios
so i set SCALE=400
2017-12-16 15:05:46
stelios
to have actual travel
2017-12-16 15:05:57
IchGucksLive
the TB6560 is set to 4 not to 1/2
2017-12-16 15:06:05
stelios
oooo
2017-12-16 15:06:13
IchGucksLive
do you got the Blue or the red board
2017-12-16 15:06:27
stelios
I feel It starts to make a little sense now
2017-12-16 15:06:59
stelios
the other problem is that i cant find anywhere how to set DIP.... for this certain DRiver
2017-12-16 15:07:00
IchGucksLive
what Steppers you got
2017-12-16 15:07:20
IchGucksLive
I got the DIP setting for YOU
2017-12-16 15:07:35
stelios
I have no manual
2017-12-16 15:07:52
IchGucksLive
its on the CD
2017-12-16 15:07:54
stelios
they have only one red line of 7microswitches
2017-12-16 15:08:20
stelios
I have no cd....
2017-12-16 15:08:22
IchGucksLive
can you do a image of your driver i got the thing to set
2017-12-16 15:08:34
stelios
i think so just a moment
2017-12-16 15:08:45
IchGucksLive
FIRST ALL power off also the PARPORT unplug
2017-12-16 15:08:57
stelios
https://s18.postimg.org/ya1kf5wo9/20160827_213305.jpg
2017-12-16 15:08:59
IchGucksLive
FIRST ALL power off also the PARPORT unplug
2017-12-16 15:09:00
IchGucksLive
FIRST ALL power off also the PARPORT unplug
2017-12-16 15:09:39
stelios
stepper motors are nema 23 i think the smallest
2017-12-16 15:09:56
stelios
about 5cm height....2Amps?
2017-12-16 15:10:05
IchGucksLive
there are 2A and 3A stpperes
2017-12-16 15:10:12
IchGucksLive
ok
2017-12-16 15:10:34
IchGucksLive
so its a 2015 main tb card
2017-12-16 15:12:04
stelios
Bboard is this https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/image/cache/catalog/stepper-driver/5-axis-cnc-breakout-board-interface-mach3-cnc-router-kit-408-1000x1000.JPG
2017-12-16 15:15:20
stelios
I unplugged everything and Im just wait ... :P
2017-12-16 15:17:47
IchGucksLive
got it let me check more
2017-12-16 15:18:04
stelios
thnx ok
2017-12-16 15:18:18
IchGucksLive
NP the 7th is the hint
2017-12-16 15:18:36
IchGucksLive
but it is on that board for the GAL use you dont have
2017-12-16 15:21:35
IchGucksLive
stelios: S1 -S6
2017-12-16 15:21:59
stelios
?
2017-12-16 15:22:01
IchGucksLive
on off on on on off S7 off
2017-12-16 15:22:15
IchGucksLive
1011100
2017-12-16 15:22:31
stelios
1 means the white up?
2017-12-16 15:22:55
IchGucksLive
is there is a Arrow that gives the 1
2017-12-16 15:23:15
stelios
nope
2017-12-16 15:23:28
IchGucksLive
OK then tell me what setting is on set
2017-12-16 15:24:03
IchGucksLive
5-6 off on ?
2017-12-16 15:24:24
stelios
mine is 0011101
2017-12-16 15:24:44
stelios
there is an arrow down on ...ok
2017-12-16 15:25:39
stelios
so put it 1011100?
2017-12-16 15:26:09
IchGucksLive
wait it is not what i see in my setting list to get you to the scale
2017-12-16 15:26:59
IchGucksLive
ok i got it invers isent there 1
2017-12-16 15:27:09
IchGucksLive
DIP 1
2017-12-16 15:28:24
IchGucksLive
M1 M2 Dc1 Dc2 TQ1 Tq2
2017-12-16 15:28:33
IchGucksLive
is my reading
2017-12-16 15:29:30
stelios
these are 6
2017-12-16 15:30:11
IchGucksLive
we are only on the 6 the 7this always of
2017-12-16 15:30:49
IchGucksLive
M2 M1 Mode
2017-12-16 15:30:51
IchGucksLive
(Excitation)
2017-12-16 15:30:52
IchGucksLive
M2 M1
2017-12-16 15:30:54
IchGucksLive
L L 2-phase
2017-12-16 15:30:55
IchGucksLive
L H 1-2-phase
2017-12-16 15:30:57
IchGucksLive
H L W1-2-phase
2017-12-16 15:30:58
IchGucksLive
H H 2W1-2-phase
2017-12-16 15:31:18
stelios
i have four wires
2017-12-16 15:31:32
IchGucksLive
M1 H M2 l
2017-12-16 15:31:37
IchGucksLive
10
2017-12-16 15:31:49
MarcelineVQ
Ichs are you getting this info from a document you could give to stelios?
2017-12-16 15:31:50
stelios
on off the first two
2017-12-16 15:33:53
IchGucksLive
yes
2017-12-16 15:34:31
stelios
mine are off already....maybe that means are already in 2phase
2017-12-16 15:34:54
IchGucksLive
no it means HH
2017-12-16 15:34:59
IchGucksLive
so 1/16
2017-12-16 15:35:16
IchGucksLive
i hope the arrow is H
2017-12-16 15:35:23
IchGucksLive
it seams to be L
2017-12-16 15:35:28
stelios
yes the arrow is h
2017-12-16 15:35:50
IchGucksLive
so go for it
2017-12-16 15:35:56
IchGucksLive
10
2017-12-16 15:36:14
stelios
ok first 2 =1-0
2017-12-16 15:36:21
stelios
these are for steps?
2017-12-16 15:37:02
IchGucksLive
yes
2017-12-16 15:37:13
IchGucksLive
next 2 are DECLAY mode
2017-12-16 15:37:39
IchGucksLive
this is the Mode of reducing and giving pwm
2017-12-16 15:38:08
IchGucksLive
it shoudt be HH
2017-12-16 15:38:23
stelios
they are HH
2017-12-16 15:38:28
IchGucksLive
and LH for the 1.75A
2017-12-16 15:39:32
stelios
so you say... HL HH LH and 7th L
2017-12-16 15:40:03
IchGucksLive
yes
2017-12-16 15:40:50
IchGucksLive
its all in the TB6560HQ sheet by the way as it isbuild out of this PCB
2017-12-16 15:41:25
IchGucksLive
fire up the system
2017-12-16 15:41:32
stelios
with this setup....in step config put half step and then SCALE=100 ?
2017-12-16 15:41:33
IchGucksLive
open in i
2017-12-16 15:41:37
IchGucksLive
ini
2017-12-16 15:42:27
IchGucksLive
OR use Stepconf
2017-12-16 15:42:41
IchGucksLive
give it that 100 scale
2017-12-16 15:43:08
IchGucksLive
and start your config
2017-12-16 15:43:12
IchGucksLive
then power the TB board
2017-12-16 15:43:25
IchGucksLive
and go on ruler
2017-12-16 15:50:26
IchGucksLive
stelios: still here ?
2017-12-16 15:51:56
IchGucksLive
hi rick
2017-12-16 15:52:26
rick_joc
hello
2017-12-16 15:52:32
stelios
yeah
2017-12-16 15:52:40
IchGucksLive
and stelios
2017-12-16 15:52:51
IchGucksLive
rick just ask
2017-12-16 15:53:13
rick_joc
nothing to ask ;)
2017-12-16 15:53:41
IchGucksLive
best to be
2017-12-16 15:56:06
stelios
with that config and SCALE=100 I take an actual reading of 0.1mm for 1mm in AXis
2017-12-16 15:57:24
IchGucksLive
stelios: is there a gear between
2017-12-16 15:58:11
stelios
no nothing
2017-12-16 15:59:01
IchGucksLive
whow so this is whear
2017-12-16 15:59:14
IchGucksLive
but good to go for as we see it is the right dip
2017-12-16 15:59:30
IchGucksLive
did the noice change
2017-12-16 15:59:46
IchGucksLive
the power setting
2017-12-16 15:59:46
stelios
yeap
2017-12-16 16:00:15
stelios
and i set first two LH
2017-12-16 16:00:27
stelios
and i get the right reading
2017-12-16 16:00:36
stelios
that means we are in half step
2017-12-16 16:00:42
stelios
SCALE=100
2017-12-16 16:00:46
IchGucksLive
YES
2017-12-16 16:00:51
IchGucksLive
you are the man
2017-12-16 16:01:01
stelios
hahaha
2017-12-16 16:01:04
IchGucksLive
now you are up
2017-12-16 16:01:09
IchGucksLive
in ini
2017-12-16 16:01:18
stelios
so I just had it foe 1/16
2017-12-16 16:01:28
stelios
for 1/16
2017-12-16 16:01:30
IchGucksLive
GET the BASE to 100000
2017-12-16 16:01:40
IchGucksLive
in the in i
2017-12-16 16:01:49
IchGucksLive
edit it by hand
2017-12-16 16:01:54
stelios
yeah
2017-12-16 16:01:58
IchGucksLive
after al is working
2017-12-16 16:02:12
IchGucksLive
then you will see a rewal good speed at 3m/min
2017-12-16 16:02:25
IchGucksLive
dont go higher then 225 in ACC
2017-12-16 16:02:42
IchGucksLive
i use 120 for most but this is up to you
2017-12-16 16:04:14
stelios
I can see a very smooth travel without vibrations.....
2017-12-16 16:04:33
stelios
but as I played back and fwd
2017-12-16 16:04:48
stelios
I had a stall with 2400mm/m
2017-12-16 16:05:36
archivist
never run too close to max, you need headroom for cutting forces
2017-12-16 16:05:38
stelios
so maybe 3m/min is too much for these motors
2017-12-16 16:06:04
IchGucksLive
as you only need 1200 go that low
2017-12-16 16:06:38
IchGucksLive
so 20 vel and 120acc is a real good work
2017-12-16 16:06:45
stelios
you mean to work with a speed at half of stall speed?
2017-12-16 16:06:46
MarcelineVQ
stelios: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/stepconf.html#sub:finding-maximum-velocity if you've not seen it
2017-12-16 16:06:48
IchGucksLive
on this boards
2017-12-16 16:06:56
IchGucksLive
but it will go the 3m
2017-12-16 16:07:01
stelios
ok got it
2017-12-16 16:07:19
IchGucksLive
you see its all inside ;-)
2017-12-16 16:07:31
stelios
seems everything is ok
2017-12-16 16:07:46
stelios
thanks a lot ingucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2017-12-16 16:08:00
IchGucksLive
if the stepers get hot the 56 DIP is to high
2017-12-16 16:08:12
MarcelineVQ
stelios: I had trouble following along, what was the issue in the end?
2017-12-16 16:08:25
IchGucksLive
microstepping
2017-12-16 16:08:55
IchGucksLive
MarcelineVQ: set to 1/16 if only 1/2 needed
2017-12-16 16:09:02
stelios
yeah I had it for 1/16 and I thought it was for 1/2
2017-12-16 16:09:18
MarcelineVQ
had what, your software settings or your hardware?
2017-12-16 16:09:37
stelios
so all the configurations were for 1/2.....everything wrong
2017-12-16 16:11:19
IchGucksLive
no its just as i always tell get the SYSTEM to MAX speed at MAX torye at BEST Precision
2017-12-16 16:11:30
IchGucksLive
FROM Hardware the start config
2017-12-16 16:12:02
IchGucksLive
4mm pitch needs Halfstepping at 1.8 Steppers
2017-12-16 16:17:25
stelios
InGucks you say I will need no more than 1200mm/min...that seems too low to me....
2017-12-16 16:18:35
stelios
As I calculate my speeds n feeds with this equation spindle rpm x flutes x chipload....
2017-12-16 16:19:09
gloops
what are you cutting stelios?
2017-12-16 16:19:18
stelios
chiploads from here http://prntscr.com/hobwbl
2017-12-16 16:20:23
stelios
most wood but trying to figure speeds n feeds for aluminium
2017-12-16 16:20:46
gloops
ahh right, did you build the machine yourself?
2017-12-16 16:21:01
stelios
no its a chinnese 3040
2017-12-16 16:21:09
gloops
ok
2017-12-16 16:21:21
IchGucksLive
the tb will make 3m
2017-12-16 16:21:31
IchGucksLive
so go for 40 160
2017-12-16 16:21:32
malcom2073
Ugh, buddy of mine at a machine auction, calls to tell me a mazak jsut went for $170
2017-12-16 16:21:46
malcom2073
Auction is 20 minutes from me
2017-12-16 16:22:11
IchGucksLive
yes mashines now are very vheep
2017-12-16 16:22:22
malcom2073
Yeah, goign for less than scrap price
2017-12-16 16:22:32
malcom2073
I don't have the money to move it, or the space atm heh
2017-12-16 16:22:37
IchGucksLive
that is the wearest to me
2017-12-16 16:22:38
malcom2073
Otherwise I would've gone and tried to pick up a VMC
2017-12-16 16:22:54
IchGucksLive
the 1T is at 460USD
2017-12-16 16:23:21
IchGucksLive
and a 3T mashine woudt get you more to the chunk guys then selling it
2017-12-16 16:23:40
IchGucksLive
i go AFTER this and tell them to get this to Schools
2017-12-16 16:23:46
malcom2073
yeah heh
2017-12-16 16:24:11
IchGucksLive
llike the 400MH serius used there
2017-12-16 16:24:28
IchGucksLive
i seen a Alzmetall 1050 at 00USD going
2017-12-16 16:24:33
IchGucksLive
700
2017-12-16 16:25:09
IchGucksLive
every school i know woudt take it but time is on GOV an issue
2017-12-16 16:25:27
IchGucksLive
i pray and bargle
2017-12-16 16:25:39
IchGucksLive
to schools get a foundation service
2017-12-16 16:25:58
rick_joc
stelios: what spindle do you have?
2017-12-16 16:26:01
IchGucksLive
that holds the money to get intime pric
2017-12-16 16:26:07
IchGucksLive
1204
2017-12-16 16:26:12
IchGucksLive
rick_joc:
2017-12-16 16:26:17
gloops
they are obsolete thats why
2017-12-16 16:26:18
IchGucksLive
or the tool
2017-12-16 16:26:43
malcom2073
Man, it was a VQC-15/40 too
2017-12-16 16:26:59
malcom2073
Obsolete, and nobody wants to move them
2017-12-16 16:27:09
malcom2073
Pretty much only useful to the hobbiests, and few hobbiests can deal with machines that big
2017-12-16 16:27:16
malcom2073
Benchtop machines? Sell for $2-4k
2017-12-16 16:27:28
IchGucksLive
mashines like that dont be sold by 1 week
2017-12-16 16:27:35
IchGucksLive
its a timespan
2017-12-16 16:27:52
archivist
it is silly that the hobbyists avoid big toys
2017-12-16 16:27:53
IchGucksLive
and they do not ask local shopews
2017-12-16 16:28:04
gloops
mazak VQC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEBIuSkaDro
2017-12-16 16:28:24
IchGucksLive
gloops: your dream
2017-12-16 16:28:48
malcom2073
gloops: yeah
2017-12-16 16:29:01
gloops
malcom i wish i had a unit full of bendy taeg benchtop milling machines
2017-12-16 16:29:06
malcom2073
I would've loved one of those, I have a knee mill right now
2017-12-16 16:29:24
gloops
they bid £600 for them here, Bridgeports go for £250
2017-12-16 16:29:44
IchGucksLive
im off
2017-12-16 16:40:07
malcom2073
bwahaha, the guy that bought that mazak, doesn't even want it
2017-12-16 16:40:12
malcom2073
Idiot heh
2017-12-16 16:40:36
archivist
offer 50 dolla
2017-12-16 16:40:40
gloops
he'll make something on it though
2017-12-16 16:40:51
malcom2073
He has 30 days to move it, My buddy told him to craigslist it for $500 as it sits
2017-12-16 16:41:04
malcom2073
The guy has never had a CNC, he doesn't even know how to move a machine that big
2017-12-16 16:41:29
gregcnc
oops
2017-12-16 16:41:35
gloops
why did it go for that though if there were machine people about?
2017-12-16 16:41:42
malcom2073
gloops: It's not an online auction
2017-12-16 16:41:46
malcom2073
and it's in the middle of nowhere
2017-12-16 16:42:05
gregcnc
machine shop or someone had it in their barn?
2017-12-16 16:42:11
malcom2073
Nah, big screw factory
2017-12-16 16:42:25
malcom2073
They have a ton of machines
2017-12-16 16:42:35
malcom2073
But didn't advertize the auction well, and didn't offer online bidding
2017-12-16 16:42:55
gregcnc
did everythign sell cheap or just he junk?
2017-12-16 16:43:07
gloops
bet the scrap men knew about it
2017-12-16 16:43:09
malcom2073
A hardinge chunker went for $100, other stuff is going for <$500
2017-12-16 16:43:21
malcom2073
Nah, this Mazak was worth more than $170 in scrap, the scrappers aren't there
2017-12-16 16:43:29
malcom2073
it's 10klbs
2017-12-16 16:43:57
gloops
5 tonne?
2017-12-16 16:44:01
malcom2073
Yeah
2017-12-16 16:44:19
gloops
thats a lot of journeys with a trailer
2017-12-16 16:44:21
malcom2073
I'm so psised I don't have the money atm, I'd go up and buy it off the guy that doesn't want it
2017-12-16 16:44:47
malcom2073
One?
2017-12-16 16:44:47
gloops
borrow , beg
2017-12-16 16:45:01
malcom2073
My trailer is only 7k, my buddy has a 10k trailer, but that's pushing the towing capacity of my truck heh
2017-12-16 16:45:10
gloops
go and see the neighbours tell em your grandma needs medicine
2017-12-16 16:45:11
malcom2073
And i'd have to pay a rigger to load/unload anyway
2017-12-16 16:45:13
malcom2073
Lol
2017-12-16 16:45:39
Rab
>10K trailer might require a CDL anyway.
2017-12-16 16:45:39
gregcnc
rigger will cost maore than machine
2017-12-16 16:45:44
gloops
it would split
2017-12-16 16:45:51
malcom2073
Rab: 26k
2017-12-16 16:45:54
malcom2073
needs a CDL
2017-12-16 16:46:03
malcom2073
Well, 26k combined
2017-12-16 16:46:04
Rab
malcom2073, 26K *combo*.
2017-12-16 16:46:14
malcom2073
10k trailer is easily pulled by a 10k truck
2017-12-16 16:47:03
slipalong
Trying to cut a part and I have touched off the 4 tools I want to uses for the gob to the top of the stock
2017-12-16 16:47:23
Rab
But I believe there is a separate restriction on absolute trailer weight. That is, the only trailer rated for 10K is also capable of combined GVW greater than 26K, and that's what some troopers look for.
2017-12-16 16:47:41
slipalong
When I run the job the 3 mm drill is 50 mm above the part I trying to machine
2017-12-16 16:47:51
Rab
malcom2073, which state is this? (Assuming USA)
2017-12-16 16:47:52
malcom2073
Rab: It depends on the state, and the trooper. The laws are pretty vauge
2017-12-16 16:47:54
malcom2073
PA
2017-12-16 16:48:11
gloops
slipalong youve had this problem before?
2017-12-16 16:48:28
malcom2073
My truck is registered at 9k GVW, and as a tow vehicle, which means I can tow up to the towing capacity (which is 10k trailer weight)
2017-12-16 16:48:36
slipalong
The the 1st 3d part with multiple tools I have tried
2017-12-16 16:48:43
malcom2073
But a 10k part on a 2k trailer would put me over anyway
2017-12-16 16:49:16
malcom2073
Plus the truck is 20 years old, so probably not that many horses left :P
2017-12-16 16:49:21
slipalong
do I need to put the real z axis tool offsets into F360?
2017-12-16 16:49:25
gregcnc
slipalong check that the code is pulling the proper offset and check the tool table
2017-12-16 16:49:28
gloops
for a one off trip you have to run the risk
2017-12-16 16:49:45
gloops
get someone to drive behind you like a stopper
2017-12-16 16:49:46
slipalong
The Linux cnc tool offset are spot on
2017-12-16 16:49:56
Tom_L
slipalong are those tools listed in the tool table?
2017-12-16 16:50:03
slipalong
but when I run the F360 code
2017-12-16 16:50:09
malcom2073
I've never been pulled over and weighed anyway
2017-12-16 16:50:20
malcom2073
Still can't afford to bring a rigger out to load it though :P
2017-12-16 16:50:40
slipalong
Yes in Linux cnc I have all the tools listed and have touched them all off to the top off the stock
2017-12-16 16:50:45
Tom_L
_methods you should be the proud owner of a mazak now
2017-12-16 16:51:01
gregcnc
then check the code, either it's calling the wrong Hxx or the path is incorrect
2017-12-16 16:51:24
_methods
Why mazak?
2017-12-16 16:51:29
Tom_L
running G54? make sure it's zero'd too
2017-12-16 16:51:49
Tom_L
err not you malcom2073
2017-12-16 16:51:55
Tom_L
^^ above
2017-12-16 16:52:00
_methods
Hahah
2017-12-16 16:52:04
malcom2073
Tom_L: Nope
2017-12-16 16:52:05
slipalong
yes running G54
2017-12-16 16:52:25
slipalong
the face mill and the spot drills cycles where ok
2017-12-16 16:52:45
malcom2073
If I had the money I would've done it in a heartbeat, supposidly the machines worked too when the plant shutdown
2017-12-16 16:53:11
slipalong
but drilling the holes was like 50 mm too high and the adaptive clearing cycle also was 50 mm too haigh
2017-12-16 16:53:30
slipalong
Im missing something
2017-12-16 16:53:53
slipalong
I assumed when we do a too change the z offset is loaded
2017-12-16 16:54:27
gloops
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAZAK-CNC-VERTICAL-MACHINING-CENTER-Model-VQC-15-40/222751250381?
2017-12-16 16:55:00
gregcnc
check the G43 Hxx for those tools
2017-12-16 16:56:24
slipalong
Got G43 Z15. H6 after I load tool 9
2017-12-16 16:56:53
gregcnc
Check the offset on tool description in F360
2017-12-16 16:56:59
malcom2073
0 bids heh
2017-12-16 16:56:59
slipalong
which is s 3mm endmill
2017-12-16 16:57:28
slipalong
so I need the real tool offsets from Linuc cnc in F360?
2017-12-16 16:58:10
gloops
too big for diy/hobby, larger machining companies wont invest in that
2017-12-16 16:58:16
malcom2073
Yeah
2017-12-16 16:58:26
malcom2073
Great for my style of diy/hobby, but I'm rare
2017-12-16 16:58:51
malcom2073
Maybe in a month, when he hasn't managed to sell it, I can offer him like $200 to deliver it to me haha
2017-12-16 16:58:58
gregcnc
slipalong open the tool editors for the tools with problems and the issue will be clear as day
2017-12-16 16:59:54
slipalong
I think whats I didn't understand was that F360 needs to know all the z offests
2017-12-16 17:00:21
slipalong
I assumed Linuxcnc recalculated when I do a tool change
2017-12-16 17:00:26
gregcnc
it does not
2017-12-16 17:00:58
slipalong
so why opening the tool editor in F360 going to help?
2017-12-16 17:01:03
gregcnc
look
2017-12-16 17:01:06
slipalong
sorry if Im being thick
2017-12-16 17:01:27
gregcnc
stop guessing, there is a method to my madness
2017-12-16 17:02:02
archivist
I would have thought it needs the same knowledge as linuxcnc about the tools
2017-12-16 17:02:57
slipalong
Ok I have the tool editor open for a 3mm twist drill;
2017-12-16 17:03:40
gregcnc
a random tool or the one used in your tool path?
2017-12-16 17:03:58
slipalong
In the post processor I have high and diameter offsets set to 1mm
2017-12-16 17:04:03
slipalong
]is that the problem
2017-12-16 17:04:43
slipalong
Its tool 13 and used in the 3rd operation on my part
2017-12-16 17:05:03
slipalong
its way high above when I try to drill
2017-12-16 17:05:21
slipalong
40 or 50 mm high
2017-12-16 17:06:23
gregcnc
lenght offset is not a distance value
2017-12-16 17:06:38
gregcnc
diameter offset is not a distance value
2017-12-16 17:06:47
gregcnc
these are the offset register values
2017-12-16 17:07:15
gregcnc
in your case they must match tool number, unless you intend otherwise
2017-12-16 17:07:44
slipalong
ah ok didn't know that
2017-12-16 17:08:19
slipalong
so In using tool 13 with tool 1's ofsets
2017-12-16 17:08:36
gregcnc
yes, this was clear when you call T9 and H6 was posted, which is why i said check the code
2017-12-16 17:09:06
slipalong
Thanks Greg makes sense
2017-12-16 17:09:40
slipalong
Im lucky I didn't break something
2017-12-16 17:10:32
gregcnc
dry run low feed/rapid overides and no material is part of the game
2017-12-16 17:12:05
slipalong
yes I learnt that the hard way (expensive)
2017-12-16 17:12:09
slipalong
Thanks again
2017-12-16 17:25:37
slipalong
Greg still something odd if Im reading this correctly https://pastebin.com/TTknVCsD
2017-12-16 17:26:00
slipalong
so I have a M6 to load T13
2017-12-16 17:26:16
slipalong
T13 is a 3mm twist drill
2017-12-16 17:26:36
slipalong
but then the G43 is using H10??
2017-12-16 17:50:48
gloops
infinite axis snake arm robots are the future
2017-12-16 17:51:44
gloops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gU6TWGynkU&feature=youtu.be
2017-12-16 17:56:24
asdfasd2
gloops: wow is that alien?
2017-12-16 17:56:45
gloops
no its a machine, pretty scary
2017-12-16 17:57:00
gloops
has had some application as water jet cutter i think
2017-12-16 17:57:23
asdfasd2
it look like one movie
2017-12-16 17:57:50
asdfasd2
the abyss
2017-12-16 17:59:06
asdfasd2
https://youtu.be/xNLtPLFECNw?t=48
2017-12-16 18:00:55
gloops
yeah i thought of that when i saw it
2017-12-16 18:02:17
gloops
and those probe things in matrix
2017-12-16 18:02:42
gloops
soft robots are also interesting
2017-12-16 18:04:04
gloops
robocop was sci fi when i was younger,could be reality in 5 years, or next year even
2017-12-16 18:04:37
gloops
you could have a virtually indestructible soft robot that was a devastating killing machine for combat
2017-12-16 18:27:36
gregcnc
slipalong?
2017-12-16 18:32:50
gregcnc
slipalong T10 M6 is the tool call. H10 is correct. T13 is the next tool(preload). If your machine doesn't preload tools you don't need this.
2017-12-16 18:34:43
IchGucksLive
hi
2017-12-16 18:35:58
gloops
evening
2017-12-16 18:36:13
IchGucksLive
;-)
2017-12-16 18:47:58
gloops
warm for xmas
2017-12-16 18:48:07
gloops
tropical air
2017-12-16 18:48:33
IchGucksLive
real Bug on the screen uge
2017-12-16 18:48:41
IchGucksLive
came from sealing
2017-12-16 18:48:59
gloops
beetle?
2017-12-16 18:51:17
XXCoder
butter bug
2017-12-16 18:53:48
andypugh
Although the type has been made in other countries, it appears that the UK is home to more than its fair share of small, hand-operated surface grinders. ,,,, All, even today, are useful machines: easy to set up and use they provide both the advantage of exercise and disadvantage of lungfuls of metallic dust.
2017-12-16 18:54:01
andypugh
`(A quote from lathes.co.uk)
2017-12-16 18:55:56
gloops
keep a pipe in your mouth at all times while operating
2017-12-16 18:57:00
XXCoder
gather the dust up while its running
2017-12-16 18:57:06
XXCoder
line em up and snort em
2017-12-16 18:57:17
SpeedEvil
I am at the moment pondering making a surface grinder from four drawer slides, on which the grinder hangs. With a loose box round the drawer slides which is the exhaust of a shopvac, and flood coolant - for leveling some stone
2017-12-16 18:58:00
gloops
yes, you didnt see my home made overhead grinder
2017-12-16 18:58:40
SpeedEvil
no
2017-12-16 18:59:44
gloops
if you go to the kelham isle living history place at sheffield theres an early steel works, old grinders shop - lots of info on grinders lung, from which most of them died
2017-12-16 19:00:54
andypugh
Well, they had to did from something
2017-12-16 19:01:22
gloops
big stone wheels say 2 foot accross, no guards nothing, with a bench to sit on, the wheel was like between your legs, grinding cutlery all day
2017-12-16 19:01:47
andypugh
I think that scythe grinders still work like that
2017-12-16 19:01:53
gloops
true theyd only had died from plague or consumption or rickets anyway
2017-12-16 19:03:31
andypugh
Indeed. So you might as well get sime useful work out of them first.
2017-12-16 19:05:30
sync
the probably died from silicosis, if they had used different stones that would not have happened
2017-12-16 19:06:08
gloops
its abbeydale industrial hamlet - not kelham im thinking of http://www.historyanorak.co.uk/history/TheNewHistoryanorak/archaeological/pix/abbeydale_grinder.JPG
2017-12-16 19:08:42
gloops
it was a hard life back in't day
2017-12-16 19:17:29
gloops
SpeedEvil is the concrete for a machine base?
2017-12-16 19:17:47
SpeedEvil
gloops: no, tiles and stuff
2017-12-16 19:20:29
gloops
better to cast the concrete in a machine mold?
2017-12-16 19:20:38
gloops
machined
2017-12-16 19:22:02
SpeedEvil
yes, these are already set
2017-12-16 19:23:13
gloops
throw them away
2017-12-16 19:29:54
gloops
It
2017-12-16 19:29:55
gloops
will
2017-12-16 19:29:55
gloops
be
2017-12-16 19:29:55
gloops
noticed
2017-12-16 19:29:55
gloops
that
2017-12-16 19:29:55
gloops
the
2017-12-16 19:29:57
gloops
death-rate
2017-12-16 19:29:59
gloops
among
2017-12-16 19:30:01
gloops
grinders
2017-12-16 19:30:05
gloops
is
2017-12-16 19:30:07
gloops
enormously
2017-12-16 19:30:09
gloops
high,
2017-12-16 19:30:11
gloops
and
2017-12-16 19:30:13
gloops
affects
2017-12-16 19:30:15
gloops
both
2017-12-16 19:30:17
gloops
wet
2017-12-16 19:30:19
gloops
and
2017-12-16 19:30:21
gloops
dry
2017-12-16 19:30:23
gloops
grinders
2017-12-16 19:30:24
XXCoder
geez
2017-12-16 19:30:25
gloops
~
2017-12-16 19:30:27
gloops
oh sorry bad paste
2017-12-16 19:30:29
gloops
https://www.sciencedirect.com/sdfe/pdf/download/eid/1-s2.0-S0033350609800565/first-page-pdf
2017-12-16 19:31:55
gloops
7.1 deaths per annum out of 3880 cutlery grinders doesnt seem enormously high
2017-12-16 19:33:43
gloops
0.2%
2017-12-16 19:37:47
SpeedEvil
That is approximately twice the rate, for all causes
2017-12-16 19:38:33
gloops
what are todays figures for deaths from obesity?
2017-12-16 19:42:02
SpeedEvil
You would need to dig down and find the set of what those numbers applied to - was it current workers, was it workers who had not been dismissed, was it people who had ever worked at that occupation, ...
2017-12-16 19:43:30
SpeedEvil
As a comparison, lumberjacks die at the rate of 0.1% or so per year.
2017-12-16 19:43:40
SpeedEvil
(which is the most dangerous job in the USA)
2017-12-16 19:43:47
gloops
a lot less than die from heroin
2017-12-16 19:45:52
SpeedEvil
Actually, on a whole population basis, heroin is about 50 per 100K, vs 110 per 100K of lumberjacks.
2017-12-16 19:46:14
SpeedEvil
If you do it on the population of people that take heroin, then yes, it's higher.
2017-12-16 19:46:26
SpeedEvil
But a moderate-large slice of that is due to policy decisions.
2017-12-16 19:46:49
Loetmichel
hmmm
2017-12-16 19:47:48
Loetmichel
i heard about "the one idiot that falls from the rig every year" in the stage rigging business... no idea how many people do that in germany, i would guess less than 2000 though
2017-12-16 19:47:57
Loetmichel
so thats pretty high, too ;)
2017-12-16 19:49:07
gloops
i think farming is the most dangerous occupation here now
2017-12-16 19:49:19
SpeedEvil
gloops: where?
2017-12-16 19:49:36
gloops
mainly because most other hands on occupations have gone
2017-12-16 19:49:38
gloops
UK
2017-12-16 20:21:46
Loetmichel
gloops: THAT bad in the UK?
2017-12-16 20:21:54
Loetmichel
only white collar jobs left?
2017-12-16 20:22:23
gloops
Loet well we do still have some manufacturing, there is a big push to revive manufacturing in the pipeline
2017-12-16 20:23:18
gloops
we're so sick an tired of inferior quality imports, we're going to make stuff ourselves again
2017-12-16 20:26:01
Loetmichel
gloops: hopefully you will find some people over there that still know how to make stuff...
2017-12-16 20:26:35
gloops
Loet its in our blood, plus we always have archivist
2017-12-16 20:27:19
gloops
after all, who was it that made the best cars in the world?
2017-12-16 20:27:29
Wolf__
japan
2017-12-16 20:27:39
Loetmichel
Wolf__: germany ;)
2017-12-16 20:27:40
Wolf__
=P
2017-12-16 20:27:41
gloops
UK
2017-12-16 20:27:57
Loetmichel
gloops: prettiest i would agree
2017-12-16 20:28:07
Loetmichel
technical best: nope.
2017-12-16 20:28:39
gloops
rolls royce is still #1 for aero engines
2017-12-16 20:29:15
Loetmichel
only by volume and onyl because airplanes have turn around times of 50 years
2017-12-16 20:29:21
sync
it has nothing to do with cars tho
2017-12-16 20:29:59
gloops
nothing to do with cars?
2017-12-16 20:31:10
gloops
you know rolls royce cars were supplied with a cover and instructions - if the unlikely event the car broke down, you had to cover it up - because of course, rolls royces dont break down
2017-12-16 20:34:47
Tom_L
they just wanted to hide it to avoid bad press
2017-12-16 20:35:05
gloops
yes, they couldnt be seen to be broke down
2017-12-16 20:35:09
Loetmichel
btw: you are aware who owns RR these days?
2017-12-16 20:35:21
gloops
it isnt RR Loet
2017-12-16 20:35:23
Tom_L
i did but i forgot
2017-12-16 20:35:32
gloops
its a mere pastiche of the british company
2017-12-16 20:35:45
gregcnc
VW or BMW
2017-12-16 20:35:56
Tom_L
just like alot of other products of late
2017-12-16 20:37:16
Loetmichel
gregcnc: rr motors is now bentley which is owned by VW, and RR cars is owned by BMW
2017-12-16 20:37:24
Wolf__
oh Loetmichel https://i.imgur.com/dfUOl7J.jpg =D
2017-12-16 20:37:33
Loetmichel
only RR aircraft engines is still british ;)
2017-12-16 20:37:54
gloops
Loet youll never make a rolls royce
2017-12-16 20:37:58
Loetmichel
Wolf__: nice cars
2017-12-16 20:38:04
gloops
german cars are not very good
2017-12-16 20:38:28
Tom_L
not the ones i've seen anyway
2017-12-16 20:38:40
Loetmichel
gloops: i wont even try. I am not in the luxury car business
2017-12-16 20:38:50
Loetmichel
if anything i would make a pickup
2017-12-16 20:38:58
gregcnc
cars are all the same made to last the first owner
2017-12-16 20:38:59
Wolf__
no issues with my VW, but I did love me some Mercedes when I drove a tow truck lol
2017-12-16 20:39:06
sync
the market disagrees
2017-12-16 20:39:38
sync
vw and toyota battling for the largest amount of sales
2017-12-16 20:39:58
Tom_L
then they're gathered up and ported to 3rd world countries like used washers and driers
2017-12-16 20:40:20
gloops
the old ford transit i never had any complaints in 20 years - mercedes sprinter - what a bag of crap
2017-12-16 20:40:32
gloops
it runs, it doesnt run, it runs, it doesnt run
2017-12-16 20:41:12
sync
a sprinter is not made to last past 5 years
2017-12-16 20:41:18
sync
because why would it
2017-12-16 20:41:31
gloops
theyre crap brand new
2017-12-16 20:42:30
sync
they are better than anything else in the bracket
2017-12-16 20:42:59
Wolf__
my ford F550 (2012) has been a POS though… replaced almost the whole steering system and the front end still gets a nasty death wobble time to time with only 30k miles on it
2017-12-16 20:43:28
Wolf__
and had to replace the rear brakes (rotors/calipers) once as well
2017-12-16 20:44:35
gloops
ive not had any recent fords but all the old ones i had were ok
2017-12-16 20:44:43
sync
that can happen with the touareg as well
2017-12-16 20:44:55
sync
the engine is too heavy for the front axle assembly
2017-12-16 20:45:03
sync
and you replace everything every 50Mm
2017-12-16 20:47:30
gloops
i think american cars fell into the same trap the UK car industry did
2017-12-16 20:47:53
Loetmichel
thatscher was in america?
2017-12-16 20:47:58
Loetmichel
thatcher
2017-12-16 20:48:12
gloops
depended heavily on a loyal home and allied market
2017-12-16 20:49:01
gloops
happy to put out inferior products because they knew people would buy them because they were british/american
2017-12-16 20:49:30
gloops
america had reagan
2017-12-16 20:49:35
gloops
ray-gun
2017-12-16 20:51:06
treid
Stepping through PCNConf for the first time. Using a 5i25 and 7i77. I'm confused what "I/O Connector 2" and "I/O Connector 3" tabs would correspond to in the "Mesa Card 0" page. Are these daughterboards connected to the 5i25?
2017-12-16 20:51:38
roycroft
and at this point i think we'd be glad to have him back, compared to what we have :)
2017-12-16 20:52:13
roycroft
but i think it can also be said that brits would almost prefer thatcher to what they have
2017-12-16 20:52:23
gloops
theres nothing wrong with old Trump roy
2017-12-16 20:52:55
roycroft
so i found a neat old book at the goodwill today
2017-12-16 20:52:56
Loetmichel
roycroft: on that thought: would you elect obama for a third term after trump is gone (if that would be possible by the constitution)
2017-12-16 20:53:08
roycroft
"american machinist's handbook and dictionary of shop terms"
2017-12-16 20:53:10
roycroft
from 1914
2017-12-16 20:53:40
roycroft
loetmichel: obama was a decent president
2017-12-16 20:53:49
roycroft
i was not unhappy with him, generally
2017-12-16 20:54:12
roycroft
i'd like to see someone a little more progressive and a lot less corporate and warmongering than obama
2017-12-16 20:54:41
Loetmichel
roycroft: problem is: WHO?
2017-12-16 20:54:47
roycroft
there's the rub
2017-12-16 20:55:04
roycroft
we'll find out what our options are over the course of the next year or so
2017-12-16 20:55:05
Loetmichel
i dont see any candidate that fits that description from over here...
2017-12-16 20:55:12
Wolf__
i’d like to see a house and senate not full of career politicians
2017-12-16 20:55:29
roycroft
yes
2017-12-16 20:55:39
roycroft
but i'd take a house and senate not full of faux republicans for now :)
2017-12-16 20:56:09
Loetmichel
thats a problem ALL democracys have
2017-12-16 20:56:24
roycroft
i might be in favor of a religious test for holding public office - if you're religious you fail the test :)
2017-12-16 20:56:43
Loetmichel
even the germans would like to see less career politicans in the bundestag.
2017-12-16 20:57:07
Wolf__
problem we have in the usa is most people dont know what a republic is
2017-12-16 20:57:10
roycroft
the centers for disease control were ordered today to not use 7 words/phrases in any official communications
2017-12-16 20:57:23
roycroft
they cannot use the word "fetus" at all
2017-12-16 20:57:32
roycroft
not "scientific" or "evidence based"
2017-12-16 20:57:44
Loetmichel
roycroft: OUCH. that far?
2017-12-16 20:57:59
roycroft
for the latter they are required to substitute "based on science and community standards"
2017-12-16 20:58:41
roycroft
"climate change" has been banned throughout the federal government for almost a year
2017-12-16 20:58:48
Loetmichel
sounds like a recipe for disaster if any outbreak should hit
2017-12-16 20:58:49
gloops
yes thats a good thing
2017-12-16 20:59:03
gloops
man made climate change isnt real
2017-12-16 20:59:03
roycroft
so yeah, we need to get religion out of politics
2017-12-16 20:59:31
roycroft
it's a stupid argument to have, whether climate change is human caused or human affected
2017-12-16 20:59:49
roycroft
the evidence overwhelimingly points to human causes
2017-12-16 21:00:00
roycroft
but i would be ok with continuing that argument
2017-12-16 21:00:16
roycroft
to deny that climate change even exists, however, is beyond comprehension
2017-12-16 21:00:22
Loetmichel
roycroft: its an easy way out for all corporations that cause it directyl or indireclty by saying its not man made at all
2017-12-16 21:00:28
roycroft
yet that's where we are
2017-12-16 21:00:37
roycroft
this country alone in the entire world
2017-12-16 21:01:25
roycroft
just because invisible sky guy tells you that climate change is not happening does not make it so
2017-12-16 21:02:04
roycroft
this machinist's handbook is pretty neat
2017-12-16 21:02:17
roycroft
and it's not 90% trig tables, like most of the old ones are
2017-12-16 21:02:22
Loetmichel
there was/is a joke in germany since the election/poll. "the only good thing about the election of trum is that it makes the world forget the blunder the brits did with the brexit" ;)
2017-12-16 21:02:29
gloops
in the meantime china opens a new coal plant every week and continues to flood our markets with cheap iron
2017-12-16 21:02:37
roycroft
except we didn't forget
2017-12-16 21:02:50
roycroft
because may and her government's ineptness throw it in our faces every day
2017-12-16 21:02:50
gloops
we unable to compete because we are 'green'
2017-12-16 21:03:28
Loetmichel
gloops: green has nothing to do with it.
2017-12-16 21:03:39
roycroft
we cannot compete because we don't want to compete
2017-12-16 21:03:44
gloops
its the NWO
2017-12-16 21:03:54
Loetmichel
you cant compete with a country where the standards of living and wage are about a thenth of yours.
2017-12-16 21:04:07
gloops
Loet you can tariff them
2017-12-16 21:04:33
Loetmichel
gloops: why dont you then?
2017-12-16 21:04:45
gloops
we would if i were PM
2017-12-16 21:04:57
Loetmichel
every time i order something from china it comes from a "GB warehouse"
2017-12-16 21:05:17
SpeedEvil
Every time you order something not from china too
2017-12-16 21:05:21
SpeedEvil
(pretty much)
2017-12-16 21:05:25
Loetmichel
... and NL and poland are already building infrastructure to overtake once the brexit is complete ;)
2017-12-16 21:05:35
roycroft
because we have a "populist" president who screams that china is being unfair, and that he's going to fix that, while he and his daughter still rely on chinese materials and labor to make their products
2017-12-16 21:05:37
gloops
they can have the warehouses
2017-12-16 21:05:46
gloops
and you can have the banks
2017-12-16 21:05:51
Loetmichel
SpeedEvil: i meant: directly from a chinese seller
2017-12-16 21:06:02
Loetmichel
not with a german or european middleman
2017-12-16 21:06:17
SpeedEvil
Loetmichel: yeah, I know. I was just commenting about the crashing of industry.
2017-12-16 21:06:38
SpeedEvil
Of course, any return of manufacturing in bulk ain't gonna bring back jobs.
2017-12-16 21:06:45
roycroft
we still do a lot of manufacturing in the us
2017-12-16 21:06:52
roycroft
and obama brought a lot of it back
2017-12-16 21:06:59
SpeedEvil
roycroft: yes, it was a slight simplification.
2017-12-16 21:07:08
gloops
UK has hundreds of trillions of tons of coal
2017-12-16 21:07:19
gloops
we can compete, make no mistake
2017-12-16 21:07:20
roycroft
the problem is that manufacturing plants are becoming increasingly automated, so bringing back manufacturing does not bring back manufacturing jobs
2017-12-16 21:08:06
gloops
automation requires designers, coders, technicians
2017-12-16 21:08:13
SpeedEvil
roycroft: computing 50 production line jobs doing the same thing per worker, and lasting for 5 years doing the same task, even with reasonable minimum wage depressed a lot, ...
2017-12-16 21:08:16
Loetmichel
not as much as workers beforehand
2017-12-16 21:08:17
roycroft
even what we do here on #linuxcnc is antithetical to job creation
2017-12-16 21:08:19
SpeedEvil
gloops: no, it really doesn't.
2017-12-16 21:08:21
gloops
an entire network of support industry
2017-12-16 21:08:29
roycroft
cnc machining decreases jobs
2017-12-16 21:08:40
roycroft
yes, it does shift some jobs to more highly skilled ones
2017-12-16 21:08:44
SpeedEvil
gloops: The problem is leverage. Amazon can for example have ~100 people coding warehouse bots.
2017-12-16 21:08:54
SpeedEvil
And deploy them globally.
2017-12-16 21:09:22
roycroft
but overall it decreases the total number of workers required to produce the same amount of product that was manually machined
2017-12-16 21:09:25
Loetmichel
and bring 100000 out of job with that
2017-12-16 21:09:28
Loetmichel
exaclty
2017-12-16 21:09:31
gloops
Speedevil there is one seam of coal here with 23 trillion tonnes
2017-12-16 21:09:40
gloops
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/newly-discovered-north-sea-coal-could-power-britain-centuries-1442551
2017-12-16 21:09:45
roycroft
but that's not even our main problem
2017-12-16 21:09:53
SpeedEvil
gloops: power isn't the problem though.
2017-12-16 21:09:58
roycroft
our main problem is that we eliminate jobs with no concern for the displaced workers
2017-12-16 21:10:01
Loetmichel
gloops: so what?
2017-12-16 21:10:02
gloops
we will gasify the coal in situ
2017-12-16 21:10:16
Loetmichel
doesent hep you if its more expensive than improting from china.
2017-12-16 21:10:21
gloops
Loet you will be buying our gas
2017-12-16 21:10:26
roycroft
i did not support hillary clinton's presidential run
2017-12-16 21:10:35
roycroft
i absolutely did not want her to be president
2017-12-16 21:10:43
roycroft
until the choice was between her and trump
2017-12-16 21:10:50
roycroft
which to me meant crappy vs. horrible
2017-12-16 21:11:17
roycroft
however she did know what needed to be done about the coal jobs
2017-12-16 21:11:21
Loetmichel
gloops: russia is providing most of our gas now. and the rest is coming from the north sea. JUUUUST outside your jurisdiction i might add ;)
2017-12-16 21:11:37
roycroft
unfortunately she's such a horrible politician that she made things much worse when she tried to explain it
2017-12-16 21:11:45
roycroft
the coal jobs are gone, forever
2017-12-16 21:11:52
roycroft
that has nothing to do with being "green" or anything
2017-12-16 21:12:01
roycroft
it has to do with the increased cost of mining coal
2017-12-16 21:12:12
roycroft
and the cheap natural gas that is a byproduct of fracking
2017-12-16 21:12:31
roycroft
the displaced coal miners need to be retrained
2017-12-16 21:12:34
gloops
Loet we can still drill sideways into it
2017-12-16 21:12:41
SpeedEvil
Crashing price of solar and battery isn't helping.
2017-12-16 21:12:48
roycroft
and new industry brought to the coal mining regions
2017-12-16 21:12:54
SpeedEvil
Though not yet competitive
2017-12-16 21:13:11
roycroft
poorly educated old timer coal miners cannot be practially retrained for 21st century high tech jobs
2017-12-16 21:13:21
roycroft
they just don't have the skills to be trainable
2017-12-16 21:13:29
gloops
roycroft youve bought into the liberal lie
2017-12-16 21:13:30
Loetmichel
gloops: wouldnt help. point is that your country has no consumers for all that low quality cassified coal gas.
2017-12-16 21:13:32
roycroft
but the coal mines are a mess
2017-12-16 21:13:48
roycroft
the old timers can be hired as part of a public works program to clean up the mess
2017-12-16 21:13:54
roycroft
and they can spend the rest of their working days doing that
2017-12-16 21:13:58
gloops
miners cant be retrained for modern jobs because they dont want those jobs
2017-12-16 21:14:16
roycroft
while the youngsters can be properly educated and trained for the modern economy
2017-12-16 21:14:20
gloops
those jobs are low paid crap
2017-12-16 21:14:38
roycroft
that's another big part of the problem
2017-12-16 21:14:53
Loetmichel
from what i have seen in TV the american coal miners are not that badly paid
2017-12-16 21:15:08
Loetmichel
it IS however a pretty dangerous and drity job.
2017-12-16 21:15:13
roycroft
income inequality in this country is the greatest of any industrialized country
2017-12-16 21:15:20
roycroft
and upward mobility is all but naught now
2017-12-16 21:15:24
gloops
Loet why dont you admit that an independent UK is your worst nightmare
2017-12-16 21:15:44
roycroft
an independend uk under may is the uk's worst nightmare :)
2017-12-16 21:15:47
roycroft
independent
2017-12-16 21:15:58
gloops
May will soon be gone
2017-12-16 21:16:02
roycroft
yes
2017-12-16 21:16:06
roycroft
not soon enough
2017-12-16 21:16:08
roycroft
but soon
2017-12-16 21:16:18
Loetmichel
gloops: why should i lie? i pity the citizens of the uk once the brexit is complete. there is simply no reason to fear them.
2017-12-16 21:16:36
roycroft
there's no way she's going to be able to run a minority government until the next election
2017-12-16 21:16:52
gloops
what we need is an English lion to take control, he will come soon enough
2017-12-16 21:17:07
roycroft
but i also have no reason to believe that brits won't stupidly elect a tory government again
2017-12-16 21:17:13
skunkworks
skunkworks looks at the irc subject...
2017-12-16 21:17:31
Loetmichel
gloops: to do what? negate the decision of your citizens to exit the EU?
2017-12-16 21:18:03
gloops
Loet no to tear up article 50 and tell germany to stick its 40 billion
2017-12-16 21:18:12
roycroft
the uk has bent over and spread its cheeks, and nobody is going to be able to change that posture before brexit is complete
2017-12-16 21:18:39
gloops
germany owes us money
2017-12-16 21:18:42
Loetmichel
roycroft: nicely said. a bit drastic, but to the point
2017-12-16 21:18:51
Loetmichel
gloops: says who?
2017-12-16 21:18:56
gregcnc
skunkworks they are planning to cnc or 3d print politics into correctness for all
2017-12-16 21:19:25
roycroft
loetmichel: the sad thing is that any sentient being knew this going in
2017-12-16 21:19:48
skunkworks
if it were only so easy
2017-12-16 21:19:50
gloops
Loet the EU has been robbing us blind for 25 years, we never had any of that stuff they said we had
2017-12-16 21:20:03
roycroft
jingoism does tend to cloud rational thought, though
2017-12-16 21:21:01
gloops
the EU accounts have nit been signed off for 20 years
2017-12-16 21:21:30
roycroft
we unfortunately were a victim of this november of last year
2017-12-16 21:21:37
Loetmichel
gloops: even if that were true: how do you think it will be better without any ressources outside your isle, neither buyers nor suppliers?
2017-12-16 21:22:12
gloops
i think you should consider that yourself Loet, we buy a tenth of your cars
2017-12-16 21:22:13
roycroft
blow up the chunnel!
2017-12-16 21:22:18
Loetmichel
roycroft: jingoism? thats a word? what does it mean=
2017-12-16 21:22:18
roycroft
build a wall around the channel!
2017-12-16 21:22:52
roycroft
it's a term meaning aggressive, overzealous patriotism
2017-12-16 21:23:13
roycroft
considering one's own country superior to all others
2017-12-16 21:23:15
gloops
our new carries and 26 patrol boats will take care of that
2017-12-16 21:23:20
gloops
carriers
2017-12-16 21:23:23
Loetmichel
gloops: exactly. a thenth. we will barely feel that. unlike your people, who will with one swift strike have 90% less ressources and out of country sales.
2017-12-16 21:23:44
Loetmichel
roycroft: i see
2017-12-16 21:23:45
gloops
Loet the single biggest market for your cars?
2017-12-16 21:24:09
roycroft
it originally was coined in the 1870s regarding the uk's belligerent attitude towards russia
2017-12-16 21:24:18
Loetmichel
still only 10% of our car sales. so what?
2017-12-16 21:24:33
Rab
The crown will simply tighten its iron fist around the squalid colonies. BC, AUS, NZ have vast resources.
2017-12-16 21:24:38
gloops
10% of sales is life or death and you know it
2017-12-16 21:24:59
roycroft
the "colonies" that are close to declaring themselves republics?
2017-12-16 21:25:00
Loetmichel
Rab: you think that'll work in this century?
2017-12-16 21:25:04
gloops
true Rab, the new world is where all the action is now
2017-12-16 21:25:35
gloops
the commonwealth is a bigger market than the EU, and its growing, the EU is declining
2017-12-16 21:25:43
roycroft
there is a very good chance that elizabeth will be the last monarch of australia
2017-12-16 21:25:59
roycroft
it all depends on whether or not she's stubborn enough to outlive charles
2017-12-16 21:26:24
roycroft
if she outlives him the monarachy may survive much intact
2017-12-16 21:26:42
gloops
the german birthrate is 1.4
2017-12-16 21:26:50
roycroft
but if he ascends to the crown the commonwealth nations will likely start ditching the monarchy
2017-12-16 21:27:17
Loetmichel
roycroft: i adore the queen... for her stamina. charles on the other hand is a bit "colourless".
2017-12-16 21:27:27
gloops
no civilisation has ever reversed a birthrate lower than 1.9
2017-12-16 21:27:33
roycroft
i think she's been one of the best monarchs in the history of the world
2017-12-16 21:27:52
Loetmichel
gloops: so what?
2017-12-16 21:28:11
gloops
Loet so german markets are not the future
2017-12-16 21:28:30
Loetmichel
for the forseeable time: irrelevant.
2017-12-16 21:28:40
roycroft
this book has a huge section on gears and gearing
2017-12-16 21:28:52
roycroft
something that modern machinery handbooks often minimse
2017-12-16 21:29:05
gloops
this happens very quickly, in the next generation you will have far fewer producers
2017-12-16 21:29:21
gloops
in the one after - less than half what you have now
2017-12-16 21:29:30
Loetmichel
distant future we may have a half moon in our flag some day, but for all intents and pourposes if a middle aged man today germany is still the bigges market in europe and will stay that way for at least the next few decades
2017-12-16 21:29:36
roycroft
are you counting robots in that 1.4 birthrate? :)
2017-12-16 21:30:06
gloops
the massive drive for immigration has even failed, causing political unrest
2017-12-16 21:30:47
Loetmichel
roycroft: dont forget imigrants which are integrating here really nicely (bar the few % of troublemakers)
2017-12-16 21:31:17
Loetmichel
gloops: you seem to read only rassist media if you really belive that
2017-12-16 21:31:18
gloops
yes germans are integrating nicely with the new culture
2017-12-16 21:31:36
MarcelineVQ
which race is that?
2017-12-16 21:31:38
roycroft
oh, here is the full list of banned words:
2017-12-16 21:32:19
roycroft
"diversity", "fetus", "transgender", "vulnerable", "entitlement", "science-based", and "evidence-based"
2017-12-16 21:32:51
Loetmichel
roycroft: oh. so the entitled brats had their day, too?
2017-12-16 21:33:02
Loetmichel
:)
2017-12-16 21:33:24
Rab
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/cdc-gets-list-of-forbidden-words-fetus-transgender-diversity/2017/12/15/f503837a-e1cf-11e7-89e8-edec16379010_story.html
2017-12-16 21:34:15
roycroft
a member of the american association for the advancement of science pointed out that the word "ridiculous" was not banned ;)
2017-12-16 21:34:28
gloops
well, lets take science
2017-12-16 21:34:41
gloops
science isnt proof of anything you know
2017-12-16 21:34:55
roycroft
some science is proof
2017-12-16 21:35:01
gloops
which?
2017-12-16 21:35:02
roycroft
but there are very few proofs in science
2017-12-16 21:35:07
Loetmichel
gloops: I pity your blindness to anything thats not in line with your deluded sight on your country. You are the pinacle of a boris johnson follower with no connection to reality left.
2017-12-16 21:35:30
Loetmichel
Discussion end from my side because hopeless case on your end
2017-12-16 21:35:31
gloops
Loet we will make our own reality
2017-12-16 21:35:36
MarcelineVQ
geeze, that's a pretty firm summary judgement of a person
2017-12-16 21:35:54
roycroft
boyle's law, for example, has been formally proven
2017-12-16 21:36:26
roycroft
all "laws" of science have been proven
2017-12-16 21:36:42
Loetmichel
MarcelineVQ: nontheness its based on evidence
2017-12-16 21:36:44
roycroft
that is why most of established science consists of "theories"
2017-12-16 21:36:59
roycroft
it's not a law until it's been proven
2017-12-16 21:37:12
gloops
how is it proven?
2017-12-16 21:37:15
Loetmichel
and franky am at a point where i dont care if he is trolling or belives all that crap for real
2017-12-16 21:37:16
roycroft
mathematically
2017-12-16 21:37:46
gloops
maths proofs only apply inside maths
2017-12-16 21:37:47
roycroft
math being the language of science
2017-12-16 21:37:58
gloops
you cannot apply them to observations
2017-12-16 21:39:09
roycroft
if you say so
2017-12-16 21:39:24
gloops
mathematical theorems
2017-12-16 21:39:34
roycroft
i'll reject centuries of scientific reasoning and accept your definitions
2017-12-16 21:40:26
gloops
i can see you arent a student of wittgenstein
2017-12-16 21:41:01
roycroft
he was merely a beery swine who is just as sloshed as schlegel
2017-12-16 21:42:09
roycroft
also one of the more misunderstood philosophers
2017-12-16 21:42:10
gloops
study this roycroft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems
2017-12-16 21:42:35
gloops
also Popper
2017-12-16 21:43:50
gloops
Popper built on Humes notes on induction
2017-12-16 21:44:26
roycroft
i think mayhap it would be best at this point for me to head out to the shop and try to get something done
2017-12-16 21:44:44
roycroft
i fear the channel have grown weary of all the off-topic banter
2017-12-16 21:44:58
roycroft
and i'm certainly guilty of contributing to that
2017-12-16 21:47:50
Contract_Pilot
The ne wBOB for the lathe... http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Tormach-Breakout-Board-Lathe-Top.jpg
2017-12-16 21:54:11
skunkworks
neat - why did you go with tormach board? how much is it?
2017-12-16 21:55:01
rene-dev
what does it do?
2017-12-16 21:58:04
skunkworks
I think it is just a BOB
2017-12-16 21:58:15
skunkworks
that hooks to a 5i25 or the like
2017-12-16 21:58:29
rene-dev
yes, but what IOs does it handle?
2017-12-16 22:02:42
skunkworks
not 100% sure...
2017-12-16 22:16:05
Deejay
gn8
2017-12-16 22:16:13
Contract_Pilot
Yea, its a going to make running and updating path pilot much simpler on this lathe
2017-12-16 22:26:13
CaptHindsight
servo servo, angular contact bearing, PID
2017-12-16 22:26:42
CaptHindsight
roycroft: I'm countering the off topic banter
2017-12-16 22:32:55
CaptHindsight
http://www.uilabs.org/what-is-ui-labs/how-we-work/ "innovation accelerator "
2017-12-16 22:35:04
MarcelineVQ
at least they're not a think tank
2017-12-16 22:35:41
CaptHindsight
this one got me http://www.uilabs.org/what-is-ui-labs/impact/?case=omative-systems-is-making-standard-machines-smarter
2017-12-16 22:36:11
CaptHindsight
What if a machine could respond to its environment and adjust production accordingly, without the need for manual intervention?
2017-12-16 22:36:56
CaptHindsight
http://www.omative.com/ WTF?
2017-12-16 22:37:38
CaptHindsight
The Condition Monitoring for Predictive Maintenance (CMPM) solution provides predictive maintenance for factories
2017-12-16 22:37:54
MarcelineVQ
and condition monitoring I​ bet
2017-12-16 22:38:07
CaptHindsight
hey I bet that drill bit is going to wear out soon, maybe you should think about changing it"
2017-12-16 22:39:08
CaptHindsight
With well-maintained machines, your tools will last longer, work better, cut with higher precision, and produce higher quality parts. really!? Who would of ever think of this?
2017-12-16 22:39:37
CaptHindsight
jesus christ where do I invest in this magic?
2017-12-16 22:40:02
MarcelineVQ
You could get in on the ground floor if you act now
2017-12-16 22:41:28
CaptHindsight
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/592fb5f929687ffb1f82276d/t/59705f4b44024361ac0aecfa/1500536655405/Stamping+Die+2.pdf
2017-12-16 22:41:34
CaptHindsight
case study ^^
2017-12-16 22:43:30
CaptHindsight
first you get rid of all the actual machinists ...
2017-12-16 22:43:51
CaptHindsight
then you add vibration and force monitoring to the machines
2017-12-16 22:44:40
CaptHindsight
sell them software that monitors wear
2017-12-16 22:48:18
Tom_L
conspiracy
2017-12-16 22:49:03
DaViruz
IoT, Industry 4.0, Smart Factory, they manage to combine the latest marketing wank in a single line
2017-12-16 22:49:05
CaptHindsight
no, pressure and vibration monitoring :)
2017-12-16 22:49:27
CaptHindsight
DaViruz: yeah, amazing
2017-12-16 22:50:11
sync
condition monitoring is not as much bullshit as you might think
2017-12-16 22:50:21
DaViruz
i know, i work with it
2017-12-16 22:50:38
CaptHindsight
to address problems too big for any one organization to solve on its own.
2017-12-16 22:51:08
CaptHindsight
a company with 1000 monkeys or a few experienced and skilled people?
2017-12-16 22:51:35
CaptHindsight
condition monitoring isn't BS
2017-12-16 22:51:44
CaptHindsight
it's the way they market it
2017-12-16 22:52:10
CaptHindsight
listen for chatter (condition monitoring)
2017-12-16 22:52:40
CaptHindsight
feel vibration (condition monitoring)
2017-12-16 22:53:13
CaptHindsight
notice that at this rate of speed and feed the cutter tends to break after XXX many passes
2017-12-16 22:53:53
CaptHindsight
now do the same with pressure and vibration sensors
2017-12-16 22:54:05
sync
no, large automotive OEMs use it to optimize their tool usage
2017-12-16 22:54:24
sync
and notice broken tools that way
2017-12-16 22:55:14
CaptHindsight
anyone with half a brain involved with machining gets this
2017-12-16 22:55:44
CaptHindsight
do they really hire such morons now to run these plants that they need a service to come in a have this provided?
2017-12-16 22:56:01
CaptHindsight
from the case study it appears so
2017-12-16 22:56:04
sync
no, but there is no one around to notice
2017-12-16 22:56:50
CaptHindsight
in other news Canadians were noticing that snow and ice form in winter
2017-12-16 22:57:00
CaptHindsight
how do we solve this problem?
2017-12-16 22:57:16
jym
CaptHindsight: Remove ALL warning labels
2017-12-16 22:57:17
sync
how is babby formed
2017-12-16 22:57:33
jym
sync: cell by cell
2017-12-16 22:57:44
jym
sync: oh boose, yur choice
2017-12-16 22:57:48
jym
or*
2017-12-16 22:57:49
CaptHindsight
jym: bingo, it's all because of too many regulations
2017-12-16 22:58:16
CaptHindsight
and not enough tax cuts
2017-12-16 22:58:27
jym
CaptHindsight: Isn't that what pressure washers are for? To wash off the blood
2017-12-16 22:58:44
jym
...and guts and stuff
2017-12-16 22:59:25
CaptHindsight
if they get in the way, otherwise you just push the body off to the side and continue working
2017-12-16 22:59:49
CaptHindsight
why we need AI
2017-12-16 22:59:52
CaptHindsight
and bots
2017-12-16 22:59:54
jym
CaptHindsight: Blood is sticky, could just get into the mechanics and foul things up
2017-12-16 23:00:58
CaptHindsight
https://www.bigo.tv/s even worse than twitter
2017-12-16 23:01:45
CaptHindsight
in 10 years will everyone just be streaming their existence?
2017-12-16 23:04:27
CaptHindsight
jym: any new fun projects for the winter?
2017-12-16 23:33:39
CaptHindsight
I need to finish my AI software project that identifies broken objects
2017-12-16 23:34:12
CaptHindsight
it allows the user to compare their object to broken ones to help decide if the object should be saved or replaced
2017-12-16 23:35:30
CaptHindsight
the "intelligence" may be tuned for the benefit of the sellers or owners of things
2017-12-16 23:44:15
Tom_L
comparitor
2017-12-16 23:44:28
andypugh
CaptHindsight: I think that is beyond the realm of AI
2017-12-16 23:45:02
andypugh
I make that decision on purely irrational grounds.
2017-12-16 23:54:12
enleth
andypugh: one of the interesting properties of AI is that, if fed with enough matched input-output sets created by "irrational" means by humans, it tends to catch on and start producing similar results because there *was* a logical pattern, the humans just weren't able to pinpoint where exactly it comes from
2017-12-16 23:55:01
andypugh
I doubt that an AI could find a pattern in how bored I was at the point I noticed that the thing was broken.
2017-12-17 00:00:00
enleth
it would probably find *a* pattern nevertheless, it just might not seem to be correlated to anything obvious at all
2017-12-17 00:03:47
CaptHindsight
I'd go to a coffee shop named "Irrational Grounds"
2017-12-17 00:09:06
pcw_home
I heard a story of a military AI system that was meant to detect tanks in noisy image backgrounds
2017-12-17 00:09:40
pcw_home
but the neural network figured out the week random number generator for the noise instead
2017-12-17 00:09:48
pcw_home
weak
2017-12-17 00:11:22
enleth
I've heard of a similar case that was taught on real images instead of generated ones
2017-12-17 00:11:33
enleth
but it failed miserably on a second camera
2017-12-17 00:11:48
enleth
because it tuned itself to the specific thermal noise pattern of the one it was trained on
2017-12-17 00:13:56
enleth
the situation improved rapidly when they fed it with images from a couple dozen different cameras of the same type
2017-12-17 00:14:00
pcw_home
apparently its also possible to fool siri and alexa into real commands with sounds that are unintelligible to humans
2017-12-17 00:14:23
CaptHindsight
pcw_home: that must be fun
2017-12-17 00:14:52
pcw_home
yeah watch out for websites that make weird noises
2017-12-17 00:14:58
CaptHindsight
did you see the South Park episode about Alexa, Siri etc ?
2017-12-17 00:15:08
pcw_home
no
2017-12-17 00:15:14
CaptHindsight
if you play it in a room with one the fun really begins
2017-12-17 00:17:21
CaptHindsight
South Park: Causes chaos by activating thousands of Amazon Echo and Google Home speakers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7AY0JLZjRA
2017-12-17 00:25:04
andypugh
pcw_home: This might onterest you. I heard a story about someone who used a genetic algorithm to develop FPGA “patterns” (I am not sue what you would call it, as there was no actual code). He ended up with a very good result. But noticed a section of the pattern with no connections to the rest of the network. Bit when he deleted that, it stopped working. The genetic algorithm was using some sort of second-order
2017-12-17 00:25:04
andypugh
interaction. (And, I would speculate, might not work on any other example of that chip)
2017-12-17 00:27:38
andypugh
enleth: Not quite the same problem, but interesting. Apparently the folks doing analysis of the Cosmic Background Radiation results are only using half of the data in their models. This is because there can never, ever, be any more data (only one universe)
2017-12-17 00:35:42
rene-dev
andypugh pcw_home I have a similar story, but they tried to detect a clock signal. but the logic was not using the clock, only some delay inside the fpga. even moving the design inside the fpga and it stopped working :D
2017-12-17 00:39:29
CaptHindsight
clocks are for meat
2017-12-17 00:40:46
CaptHindsight
it took the asynchronous route
2017-12-17 00:59:07
pcw_home
Weird, one of those "flip this house" videos is being filmed down the street
2017-12-17 01:04:16
skunkworks
you are in that area
2017-12-17 01:04:56
XXCoder
pcw I heard bad stories on flipped houses
2017-12-17 01:05:10
XXCoder
same for "WOW free house improvement" shows
2017-12-17 01:08:05
CaptHindsight
didn't know flipping was back
2017-12-17 01:08:40
XXCoder
one thing I hate about flipping is that some people do shit job, and it rises house prices for everyone.
2017-12-17 01:08:48
XXCoder
way too many houses is empty as is./
2017-12-17 01:09:27
XXCoder
im kinda worried about housing bubble II
2017-12-17 01:13:29
roycroft
hey folks
2017-12-17 01:13:46
roycroft
have any of you experienced or heard of blue loc-tite causing acrylic to crack?
2017-12-17 01:14:11
roycroft
i just made a little collet rack out of some 1/4" acrylic and some brass standoff posts
2017-12-17 01:14:32
roycroft
i used loc-tite intentionally so that i would not have to torque down on the screws at all beyond just snugging them up
2017-12-17 01:14:54
roycroft
about a half hour later the acrylic cracked in two places, right below two of the standoffs
2017-12-17 01:15:11
roycroft
the holes are countersunk so that i could use flat head screws
2017-12-17 01:15:26
roycroft
but i've never had acrylic crack before that long after a machining operation
2017-12-17 01:15:42
CaptHindsight
cast acrylic is a thermoset
2017-12-17 01:15:56
CaptHindsight
extruded acrylic is a thermoplastic
2017-12-17 01:16:48
roycroft
i'll remake the part in the morning, but i don't want the new part cracking
2017-12-17 01:17:30
CaptHindsight
formulations vary for either
2017-12-17 01:17:49
CaptHindsight
try a different type or go thicker
2017-12-17 01:20:58
CaptHindsight
blue loctite is a polyglycol dimethacrylate, so in the same polymer family
2017-12-17 01:25:09
roycroft
sorry, router rebooted
2017-12-17 01:25:19
roycroft
i'm aware of the differences between cast and extruded acrylic
2017-12-17 01:25:33
roycroft
i'm not certain which i have, though - this was a remnant piece
2017-12-17 01:25:50
CaptHindsight
how thick is the part?
2017-12-17 01:25:53
roycroft
more likely extruded than cast, i should think
2017-12-17 01:25:55
roycroft
1/4"
2017-12-17 01:26:21
roycroft
fortunately the part that broke was the one with minimal machining
2017-12-17 01:26:22
CaptHindsight
extruded may be easily bent at elevated temps
2017-12-17 01:26:36
roycroft
but it's also the one that sits below the standoffs
2017-12-17 01:26:46
roycroft
and a bit of loc-tite leaked down onto it
2017-12-17 01:26:46
CaptHindsight
cast might not bend much until it just starts to decompose
2017-12-17 01:26:54
roycroft
if i were bending it i'd use lexan
2017-12-17 01:27:41
CaptHindsight
did it crack or melt?
2017-12-17 01:27:55
roycroft
it cracked
2017-12-17 01:28:26
CaptHindsight
extruded has more natural internal stress
2017-12-17 01:28:27
roycroft
had it melted i'd blame the loc-tite for sure
2017-12-17 01:28:29
roycroft
yes
2017-12-17 01:28:44
roycroft
and it might be that it just took a while to crack after i countersunk the holes
2017-12-17 01:29:02
roycroft
i considerered that, but as i said, i've never had acrylic crack that long after a machining operation
2017-12-17 01:29:20
roycroft
usually it happens right away or within a couple minutes if it's going to happen
2017-12-17 01:29:33
CaptHindsight
just lucky
2017-12-17 01:29:58
CaptHindsight
loctite to some brass inserts?
2017-12-17 01:30:02
roycroft
yes
2017-12-17 01:30:13
roycroft
as i said, i did not want to torque down on the fasteners at all
2017-12-17 01:30:18
roycroft
i just wanted to snug them up
2017-12-17 01:30:34
roycroft
but i didn't want them coming loose over time, so i figured a little loc-tite would do the job
2017-12-17 01:30:46
roycroft
i've done a fair amount of work with acrylic and polycarbonate
2017-12-17 01:31:15
roycroft
i know better than to torque fasteners down like i would on wood or metals
2017-12-17 01:31:16
CaptHindsight
just theorizing, no data sheets on the material
2017-12-17 01:32:12
roycroft
since the holder is made, i can leave it upside down tomrorow when i make the new part, so that the acrylic is above the standoffs, and the loc-tite will be unlikely to contact the acrylic
2017-12-17 01:32:40
enleth
roycroft: does it have to be transparent? I avoid using acrylic for anything unless absolutely necessary, preferring to use softer polymers that are less prone to cracking
2017-12-17 01:32:55
roycroft
this part doesn't necessarily have to be
2017-12-17 01:32:58
enleth
something off-white could look just as good
2017-12-17 01:32:59
roycroft
but i have the acrylic
2017-12-17 01:33:24
roycroft
it would actually look nice if the base were wood and the top acrylic
2017-12-17 01:33:27
enleth
delrin sheet cutoffs make excellent holders
2017-12-17 01:33:33
roycroft
and since it's the base that cracked, that might be an option
2017-12-17 01:33:40
roycroft
i'd like to figure out why it cracked though
2017-12-17 01:34:07
roycroft
when i drill acrylic i do really light pecks at it at medium speed
2017-12-17 01:34:14
roycroft
i've always had good luck with that
2017-12-17 01:34:15
enleth
heck, even cutting board grade HDPE works and is extremely hard to screw up
2017-12-17 01:34:18
roycroft
heavy pressure will crack it
2017-12-17 01:34:23
roycroft
and steady pressure will melt i
2017-12-17 01:34:24
roycroft
t
2017-12-17 01:34:35
XXCoder
roycroft: lock washers?
2017-12-17 01:34:53
roycroft
the bottom needs to be flush
2017-12-17 01:34:53
XXCoder
old style, I know
2017-12-17 01:34:59
roycroft
hence the countersunk holes and flat head screws
2017-12-17 01:35:12
roycroft
i used button head cap screws on the top, as they don't need to be flush
2017-12-17 01:35:41
roycroft
i'm actually liking the thought of using wood for the base though
2017-12-17 01:35:52
roycroft
which doesn't answer my question about why it cracked
2017-12-17 01:36:04
roycroft
but it would actually look better than an acrylic base
2017-12-17 01:36:19
roycroft
i think i have some 1/4" oak laying around that would do a nice job
2017-12-17 01:36:45
roycroft
it's a good thing i used loc-tite blue and not loc-tite red
2017-12-17 01:37:58
roycroft
my experience is that polycarbonate bends better and machines better than acrylic, but scratches a lot more easily than acrylic
2017-12-17 01:38:26
roycroft
which is why i went with acrylic - the machining was minimal, but it's going to be in a drawer in a machinery cabinet, and likely to get jostled around
2017-12-17 01:41:16
roycroft
wow
2017-12-17 01:41:22
roycroft
is anyone up for a road trip to the oregon coast?
2017-12-17 01:41:29
roycroft
this looks like a pretty good deal:
2017-12-17 01:41:32
roycroft
https://eugene.craigslist.org/tls/d/machine-tools/6428063781.html
2017-12-17 01:42:46
XXCoder
roycroft: from where? lol
2017-12-17 01:43:20
roycroft
that bridgeport would go for $4k around here by itself
2017-12-17 01:43:29
roycroft
and the leblond lathe for $4k or more
2017-12-17 01:44:09
XXCoder
and horzional mill
2017-12-17 01:44:12
XXCoder
so 3
2017-12-17 01:44:53
roycroft
and there's a logan lathe and a 10" rotary table in the bundle
2017-12-17 01:45:20
roycroft
which is why i said it looks like a good deal
2017-12-17 01:45:35
roycroft
probably 1/2 what it would cost to buy all that stuff in pieces
2017-12-17 01:52:45
XXCoder
yeah
2017-12-17 01:52:56
XXCoder
I dont have money, room, and skill. lol
2017-12-17 01:55:34
jesseg
Does look like a nice deal.. really..
2017-12-17 02:09:12
roycroft
were that i had the space
2017-12-17 02:09:16
roycroft
i'd find the money
2017-12-17 02:09:44
roycroft
i would just need to sell some of my bitcoin :)
2017-12-17 02:10:23
XXCoder
heh if I had time machine I'd get 1000 bitcoins
2017-12-17 02:11:32
roycroft
i don't have that much
2017-12-17 02:11:47
roycroft
but it would take less than 1/2 bitcoin to buy all that gear
2017-12-17 02:12:03
roycroft
i have way more than that
2017-12-17 02:12:08
XXCoder
nice
2017-12-17 02:12:18
roycroft
i mined bitcoin for about a year a few years ago
2017-12-17 02:12:43
roycroft
i didn't expect it to ever amount to much
2017-12-17 02:12:51
roycroft
but i was wrong
2017-12-17 02:13:24
roycroft
this is one of those circumstances where i like being wrong :)
2017-12-17 02:13:47
XXCoder
I bet! I wish I tried it out
2017-12-17 02:17:24
jym
CaptHindsight: Keep warm primarily =)
2017-12-17 02:22:47
CaptHindsight
roycroft: https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/tls/d/leblond-lathe-15/6427991840.html they practically give them away around here
2017-12-17 02:25:12
Contract_Pilot
when you though you had an old 2X8 headder cable arround and then ya find out it not kills an entire evening of playing.
2017-12-17 02:27:05
CaptHindsight
Friday evening till Saturday is when you generally run out of things
2017-12-17 03:26:21
malcom2073
Hey sync, any work done on BiSS encoders in stmbl?
2017-12-17 04:43:32
roycroft
a third corner of the acrylic has cracked
2017-12-17 04:43:44
roycroft
the upper piece has not cracked at all
2017-12-17 05:10:34
MrHindsight
roycroft: have pics?
2017-12-17 05:14:23
roycroft
no, i didn't take any pictures
2017-12-17 05:14:34
roycroft
and i just took the broken part off
2017-12-17 05:15:05
roycroft
i'm wondering if my countersink had a burr on it or something
2017-12-17 05:15:59
roycroft
i've decided to remake the part out of wood, but i still want to try to figure out why the original part cracked like it did
2017-12-17 05:16:03
Tom_L
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Axis_Mount_Plates.jpg
2017-12-17 05:16:05
Tom_L
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Z_Column_Standoff1.jpg
2017-12-17 05:16:12
Tom_L
enough for one evening
2017-12-17 05:16:49
XXCoder
fancy
2017-12-17 05:17:05
XXCoder
roycroft: it may be chemical reaction
2017-12-17 05:17:12
XXCoder
or maybe lockete expands
2017-12-17 05:17:16
roycroft
holy holes!
2017-12-17 05:17:31
XXCoder
try put lockete on flat surface
2017-12-17 05:17:34
XXCoder
see if it reacts
2017-12-17 05:17:43
XXCoder
flat and CLEAN surface
2017-12-17 05:17:46
roycroft
yeah, i'll try that
2017-12-17 05:18:05
roycroft
the wooden base will actually look better and work out better
2017-12-17 05:18:20
roycroft
but i want to know why the acrylic cracked, so i can try to avoid it in future
2017-12-17 05:18:26
XXCoder
no glossy reprap surfaces, only cheaper wood reprap look ;)
2017-12-17 05:21:09
MrHindsight
XXCoder: it shrinks slightly
2017-12-17 05:23:31
MrHindsight
came across an XYZ table under some things from an EDM ~12^3in. travel
2017-12-17 05:25:31
MrHindsight
also ~1.2m ballscrew
2017-12-17 05:43:49
XXCoder
roycroft: whats result so far?
2017-12-17 05:53:52
roycroft
i'm done for the night
2017-12-17 05:54:06
roycroft
the heaters have been turned off in the shop for some time, and it's getting cold out there
2017-12-17 05:54:18
roycroft
i'll pick up the project again in the morning
2017-12-17 05:54:30
XXCoder
later
2017-12-17 05:54:44
XXCoder
I want to know the scienfic lab test result! lol
2017-12-17 05:54:56
XXCoder
other test maybe just drill small holes coat with lockete
2017-12-17 05:55:06
XXCoder
like hind says it strunks so yeah
2017-12-17 06:11:42
gloops
how close to the ends of the screw is it reasonable to work
2017-12-17 06:48:10
MrHindsight
I use em all the way to the ends
2017-12-17 06:52:41
gloops
10 mm gap? but are you using stop switches on both ends?
2017-12-17 06:54:59
MrHindsight
yes, limit switches
2017-12-17 06:56:14
gloops
thinking about it, if you use 1 limit switch on one end then set the maximum travel for the screw that should work too
2017-12-17 06:56:35
gloops
just ive got one axis where the screw only just covers the travel i want
2017-12-17 07:12:25
Contract_Pilot
Sup... got the tormach bob test wired... seems to work...
2017-12-17 07:12:38
Contract_Pilot
its a mess but editing the INI now.
2017-12-17 07:26:07
gloops
nice one
2017-12-17 07:46:40
XXCoder
ohh looks good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSE3GmUdxoQ
2017-12-17 08:05:19
Deejay
moin
2017-12-17 08:05:39
XXCoder
hey
2017-12-17 08:05:50
XXCoder
check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSE3GmUdxoQ
2017-12-17 08:06:32
Deejay
roger that
2017-12-17 08:07:40
XXCoder
I wish I am good manual machinist lol
2017-12-17 08:07:55
XXCoder
honestly most of those parts could be made with turret lol
2017-12-17 08:08:32
Deejay
wow, impressive
2017-12-17 08:09:15
XXCoder
motor is from banggood though he makes very nice mod to make it into power generator
2017-12-17 08:12:49
gloops
using some decent tooling there though, and a lot of setting up not being shown
2017-12-17 09:33:09
XXCoder
holy shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8DpTDKDlUc
2017-12-17 09:33:22
XXCoder
almost cnc planr
2017-12-17 10:35:59
gloops
right, having this cup of tea then im getting this machine done if its the last thing i do!
2017-12-17 10:36:32
XXCoder
whats you doing now
2017-12-17 10:36:38
XXCoder
(on machine)
2017-12-17 10:37:27
archivist
pictures or it didnt happen
2017-12-17 10:38:39
gloops
i took the gantry back to pieces yesterday
2017-12-17 10:38:49
gloops
a few minor misalignment issues
2017-12-17 10:39:22
gloops
thats getting done now, then reposition x rails, then assemble z axis, today all of it
2017-12-17 10:41:04
gloops
i really dont like the way sbr linear bearings work under duress
2017-12-17 10:42:11
jthornton
morning
2017-12-17 10:42:12
archivist
the roughness?
2017-12-17 10:42:19
gloops
so im going to try rollon bearings for the z
2017-12-17 10:42:34
archivist
or the play when not adjusted
2017-12-17 10:43:12
gloops
roughness - or tightening up, generally a bit sketchy, will avoid them on the z, they run beautiful when in line
2017-12-17 10:43:20
Contract_Pilot
Yea, i have to change a prox sensor to a NPN ughhh
2017-12-17 10:44:10
archivist
gloops, is it your alignment or the bearings
2017-12-17 10:45:55
gloops
archivist theyre aligned, run smooth, but if you exert lateral force, twisting forces or whatever, they act tight, that is going to happen on the z axis
2017-12-17 10:46:25
gloops
the plastic shells in them sound like they could shatter
2017-12-17 10:47:55
gloops
hard to explain, i just dont think theyre right for the z
2017-12-17 10:47:55
archivist
all of the ball slides have some plastic, I dont think the plastic is to blame
2017-12-17 10:48:47
gloops
im not really blaming the plastic, maybe i could tighten the adjust on the z to keep them in line, but theyre gonna be jerked about constantly on there
2017-12-17 10:49:07
archivist
the fact that they are in flimsy open holders....
2017-12-17 10:49:56
gloops
the x rail is ok with 2 screws, the y rails are going to get it as well
2017-12-17 10:50:20
gloops
will jut have to see
2017-12-17 10:50:36
archivist
you are bolting to black tube direct?
2017-12-17 10:50:57
gloops
yeah the sbr rails straight on
2017-12-17 10:53:04
gloops
ive got 2 box sections bolted to 2 uprights to make the gantry, the bolting plates are not good fitting to keep everything square, i could shim them but im going to grind them right instead
2017-12-17 10:53:37
archivist
because black toooob is probably a lot less striaght than chinese sbr
2017-12-17 10:53:41
jthornton
got a photo of the gantry?
2017-12-17 10:53:59
gloops
jthronton ill take some pics later, its in bits again
2017-12-17 10:54:08
jthornton
ok
2017-12-17 10:54:52
gloops
the box section is ok by a straight edge, i consider scraping it to be a final tweaking thing - see how it works without first
2017-12-17 10:55:01
gloops
anyway off
2017-12-17 13:12:29
IchGucksLive
hi
2017-12-17 13:52:20
jthornton
jthornton is not getting breakfast at 8:30 this morning... wife is still asleep
2017-12-17 13:53:44
Loetmichel
jthornton: DO. IT. YOURSEF!
2017-12-17 13:53:46
Loetmichel
:-)
2017-12-17 13:54:08
XXCoder
man it up and cook
2017-12-17 13:54:25
Loetmichel
ever thought of bringing breakfast to bed to your wife? could give you some points ;)
2017-12-17 13:54:26
jthornton
she won't want to eat for an hour or more
2017-12-17 13:57:08
Loetmichel
hihi. my wife just made me some pancakes with maple syrup for breakfast (its 14:55 over here, i just woke up an hour ago or so). just because i mentoined that i never had pancakes with maple syrup a few days ago when i noticed the maple bottle on the kitchen counter ;)
2017-12-17 13:57:36
jthornton
is the maple syrup heated up?
2017-12-17 13:57:38
Contract_Pilot
Goal is to get the VFD and Spindle temp wired after nap time... '
2017-12-17 14:01:26
Contract_Pilot
Another all nighter... darn adhd...
2017-12-17 14:09:06
Loetmichel
Contract_Pilot: burning the midnight oil?
2017-12-17 14:10:27
Contract_Pilot
Always...
2017-12-17 14:10:54
Contract_Pilot
Long night but Green Lights.... http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/49D750C1-083C-4513-965D-5A004F83597C-1024x768.jpeg
2017-12-17 14:12:46
Contract_Pilot
Only have PNP Proximity Switches so i need to get some NPN
2017-12-17 14:30:32
jym
Contract_Pilot: https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/interface-modules/5329980/
2017-12-17 14:32:31
Contract_Pilot
Humm may work... but not befor monday
2017-12-17 14:32:37
Tom_L
Tom_L joins Loetmichel for pancakes
2017-12-17 14:33:02
Contract_Pilot
I may have already killed my prox sensor anyway.
2017-12-17 14:33:44
jym
Contract_Pilot: http://www.technosoft.ro/KB/index.php?/article/AA-00239/0/PNP-to-NPN-adapter-For-the-Technosoft-drives-with-NPN-inputs-GB-CM.html
2017-12-17 14:33:51
Tom_L
you can't reverse the logic in software?
2017-12-17 14:34:13
jym
Contract_Pilot: http://www.technosoft.ro/KB/admin/media_store/2/AA-00239/24vdc_pnp%20to%20npn%20adapter.jpg
2017-12-17 14:34:15
Loetmichel
Contract_Pilot: that looks like a REALLY nice driver box!
2017-12-17 14:35:24
jym
Loetmichel: But I'd still hate to be the bastard that would have to rack it with all that weight up front =)
2017-12-17 14:35:28
Loetmichel
Loetmichel made a stepper driver box in 19" 1U a few years ago... for a friend: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4017&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
2017-12-17 14:35:51
Loetmichel
a lot lighter though
2017-12-17 14:36:02
jym
Loetmichel: I'd say that's 2U, not 1U
2017-12-17 14:36:17
Contract_Pilot
ohhh it had a 3rd PSU in it also
2017-12-17 14:36:59
Loetmichel
jym. its 1u
2017-12-17 14:37:37
Loetmichel
ok, it was 55mm so a bit more than 1u
2017-12-17 14:38:16
jym
Loetmichel: haha, Hey I worked in a datacenter un/racking servers all niht long, I knows me 1U's =)
2017-12-17 14:39:21
jym
...and me mother fucking 12U's raid arrays too... GAWD those were a beast to rack, and always at the TOP of the rack too
2017-12-17 14:39:42
Loetmichel
jym: anything but UPses
2017-12-17 14:39:47
Loetmichel
those are a PITA
2017-12-17 14:39:56
Loetmichel
espcially the battery packs
2017-12-17 14:40:04
jym
Loetmichel: Nah, we used the forklift for those =)
2017-12-17 14:40:30
Loetmichel
i did one 3kW with extra battery pack lately. by hand.
2017-12-17 14:40:43
Loetmichel
maan, i thought my spine would break
2017-12-17 14:40:47
Loetmichel
(alone of course)
2017-12-17 14:41:33
jym
Loetmichel: and of course the batteiries would always catch and not go in, or plug up when you only have one had free
2017-12-17 14:42:21
Loetmichel
yes
2017-12-17 14:45:31
jym
Loetmichel: Was clear out a data center one time, I got 8 full-length 4U UPS's, I think the tires on my car flattened out some once all loaded.
2017-12-17 14:45:44
Loetmichel
jym: there it is. missing the pattery pack though. -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12964&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
2017-12-17 14:46:27
jym
Loetmichel: Yep, the other cabinet that looks just like it is al the batteries =)
2017-12-17 14:46:41
Loetmichel
yes
2017-12-17 14:46:55
jym
Well, the other three cabinets are all the batteries =)
2017-12-17 14:47:22
Loetmichel
ahem, no
2017-12-17 14:47:26
Loetmichel
its all the same cabinet
2017-12-17 14:47:46
Loetmichel
the ups is the 2u thing on the lowest level
2017-12-17 14:48:02
Loetmichel
but the battery pack was exactly the same size as it
2017-12-17 14:48:03
jym
Loetmichel: I had a chance to get a 50KWh UPS, it was 4 cabinets of battereis + the UPS cabinet which was twice as wide as the pic you just showed me
2017-12-17 14:48:26
Loetmichel
this thing was meant to be mobile
2017-12-17 14:48:49
jym
This was meant to power a whole bldg =)
2017-12-17 14:49:09
Loetmichel
it can house 40u of severs and be unplugged, rollled into the safe, replugged and work like nothing happened
2017-12-17 14:49:31
jym
less the ethernet cable =)
2017-12-17 14:49:35
Loetmichel
i doubt the blue wheels on it would withstand the load of being full with batteries though
2017-12-17 14:50:03
Loetmichel
yes, the ethernet and fiber has to be unplugged as well
2017-12-17 14:50:29
jym
See, that's just wrong. Should have been dual lan
2017-12-17 14:50:40
Loetmichel
dual?
2017-12-17 14:50:52
Loetmichel
did you count the numer of connections on the side panel?
2017-12-17 14:51:06
jym
Yeah, you can bond two ethernet together
2017-12-17 14:51:30
jym
then no loss in traffic, just a slight lag during the switchover
2017-12-17 14:51:48
Loetmichel
it has 4 RJ45 connectors outside and 12 fiber connectors...
2017-12-17 14:52:29
Loetmichel
its meant to be able to move to different positions. without rebooting the servers, not "traffic loss free"
2017-12-17 14:52:51
jym
can have both
2017-12-17 14:53:08
Loetmichel
wasnt the intention there
2017-12-17 14:53:26
Loetmichel
its just a shielded enclosure that can be moved into the safe for the night.
2017-12-17 14:53:48
Loetmichel
it doesen have to be "always on"
2017-12-17 14:54:52
Loetmichel
the customer just didnt want to boot the systems up every morning
2017-12-17 14:55:26
Loetmichel
on the plus side: the ups batteries get lots of exercise in that config ;)
2017-12-17 14:56:49
jym
Loetmichel: I don't know, seems a bit much to me. But it's whatever =)
2017-12-17 14:57:12
jym
a remote boot an hour before coming in seems simpler =)
2017-12-17 15:00:09
archivist
easier to run it from the safe always
2017-12-17 15:01:08
Loetmichel
archivist: not allowed to put any data cables into it
2017-12-17 15:01:40
Loetmichel
it was a hassle to get power in already (permission wise, not actually drilling the holes)
2017-12-17 15:03:50
archivist
wide open to the net during the day though!
2017-12-17 15:42:10
IchGucksLive
hi
2017-12-17 15:43:19
gloops
3 raspberry donuts today
2017-12-17 15:43:42
gloops
you cant beat a lining of grease and sugar on the stomach
2017-12-17 15:44:13
archivist
ring dougnuts no jam for me
2017-12-17 15:44:28
archivist
those at the fair still hot
2017-12-17 15:44:35
gloops
theyre nice - these were on offer 6 pence for the bag lol
2017-12-17 15:45:13
gloops
the hot ones dipped in sugar that melt in your mouth are the best yeah
2017-12-17 15:46:15
MarcelineVQ
pretty much the only thing worth the price at a fair
2017-12-17 15:47:43
gloops
so long as you dont look too closely at the hygiene practices in the back of the van
2017-12-17 15:48:09
MarcelineVQ
you'll have to trust the temp of the oil to clean the doughnuts :>
2017-12-17 15:48:54
archivist
there was one in meadowhall but was missing last time I was up there
2017-12-17 15:48:56
MarcelineVQ
hopefully there's not too many horrors in the berry sugar
2017-12-17 15:49:55
gloops
well a quick choir before it gets dark
2017-12-17 16:00:25
MarcelineVQ
gosh, you can fit a lot of power into a small package with bldc
2017-12-17 16:01:05
MarcelineVQ
I hope my forways into cnc go well so I can have an excuse to try out bldc motors later on ehe
2017-12-17 16:01:26
archivist
some use them for spindles
2017-12-17 16:02:44
MarcelineVQ
my language of choice has people starting to write software for motor control so it's an exciting time
2017-12-17 16:04:06
SpeedEvil
MarcelineVQ: xslt?
2017-12-17 16:05:13
MarcelineVQ
SpeedEvil: oh you :>
2017-12-17 16:13:14
mtpocketscnc
Hello. Good day to all
2017-12-17 16:14:18
IchGucksLive
;-)
2017-12-17 16:14:31
xDR1TeK
howdy folks, just checking if this channel still exists
2017-12-17 16:14:32
IchGucksLive
mtpocketscnc: asjk if you need help
2017-12-17 16:14:46
IchGucksLive
im in germany
2017-12-17 16:18:12
mtpocketscnc
https://pastebin.com/0PubcPPp
2017-12-17 16:18:56
mtpocketscnc
i'm trying to get ngcgui working any ideas on whats wrong with my ini
2017-12-17 16:19:18
IchGucksLive
did you start the AXIS SIM ngcgui mashine
2017-12-17 16:19:26
mtpocketscnc
axis wont run unless i comment out stuff for ngcgui
2017-12-17 16:19:36
IchGucksLive
you need to start one sim mashine first to setup all the folder
2017-12-17 16:20:07
mtpocketscnc
been running axis sim
2017-12-17 16:20:24
mtpocketscnc
when i compiled i selected run in place
2017-12-17 16:20:30
IchGucksLive
close it
2017-12-17 16:20:51
IchGucksLive
open linuxcnc from a terminal by typing linuxcnc
2017-12-17 16:21:09
IchGucksLive
Sample config
2017-12-17 16:21:16
IchGucksLive
sim
2017-12-17 16:21:24
IchGucksLive
axis
2017-12-17 16:21:33
IchGucksLive
ngcgui
2017-12-17 16:21:53
IchGucksLive
ngcgui_simple
2017-12-17 16:22:11
IchGucksLive
say yes
2017-12-17 16:22:19
IchGucksLive
close it
2017-12-17 16:22:30
IchGucksLive
and het also the pyvcp extenchen
2017-12-17 16:23:00
IchGucksLive
as startin pyngcgui_axis
2017-12-17 16:23:09
IchGucksLive
then we talk
2017-12-17 16:23:56
IchGucksLive
you shoudt see a FOLDER named ngcgui_lib in your nc_folder
2017-12-17 16:25:03
IchGucksLive
THIS is by far the most worse INI if ever saw
2017-12-17 16:25:27
IchGucksLive
as twice as bad as gloops ones
2017-12-17 16:27:22
mtpocketscnc
when i run linuxcnc and pick sim axis it just starts axis. Am I supposed to have ngcgui choice?
2017-12-17 16:27:42
IchGucksLive
SAMPLE CONFIG
2017-12-17 16:27:50
IchGucksLive
the almost botton part
2017-12-17 16:28:02
IchGucksLive
not sim Axis
2017-12-17 16:34:37
mtpocketscnc
is there somewhere i can post a screenshot?
2017-12-17 16:37:51
IchGucksLive
i will do it for you
2017-12-17 16:38:30
archivist
er wot
2017-12-17 16:41:12
skunkworks
mtpocketscnc, under sim -> axis -> ngcgui
2017-12-17 16:41:24
skunkworks
ton of configs in there
2017-12-17 16:41:47
IchGucksLive
skunkworks: not on the new one
2017-12-17 16:41:55
IchGucksLive
UPLOADING
2017-12-17 16:41:56
skunkworks
new what?
2017-12-17 16:42:08
IchGucksLive
the dvd has it split
2017-12-17 16:43:35
mtpocketscnc
i can pick sim axis but i don't see anything about ngcgui. thats why i wanted to try to figure to post screenshot
2017-12-17 16:43:57
IchGucksLive
https://youtu.be/UMS9sHaP6Eo
2017-12-17 16:44:00
IchGucksLive
her it is
2017-12-17 16:44:09
IchGucksLive
only for you
2017-12-17 16:45:44
IchGucksLive
mtpocketscnc: this is my YT https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmwhCL92ZQRSVqFe3jGwJSQ/videos
2017-12-17 16:47:28
mtpocketscnc
The first one helped my Ich. Got it! Thanks
2017-12-17 16:48:11
mtpocketscnc
I guess I was looking at it with tunnel vision
2017-12-17 16:49:37
IchGucksLive
NP
2017-12-17 16:49:49
IchGucksLive
skunkworks: what version are you on
2017-12-17 16:51:49
skunkworks
I am running mostly 2.7.11
2017-12-17 16:52:13
IchGucksLive
isent it also like in the video i made
2017-12-17 16:52:59
IchGucksLive
ok im off
2017-12-17 17:30:35
slipalong
Guy's quick question about touch off
2017-12-17 17:31:20
slipalong
I have 5 tools needed for a job and I have touched them on so the Z offsets are correct in the tool table
2017-12-17 17:32:08
slipalong
If I load stock in a different fixture I dont need to do tool touch-off again on all the tools do I
2017-12-17 17:32:35
Repollo
Hi all
2017-12-17 17:32:42
jthornton
no, you need to just touch off to material one tool
2017-12-17 17:33:01
Tom_L
slipalong, no
2017-12-17 17:33:04
slipalong
so say T1 M6
2017-12-17 17:33:09
Tom_L
just what jt said :)
2017-12-17 17:33:23
slipalong
touch this off to the top of the stock and press go
2017-12-17 17:33:37
Tom_L
just make sure the tool loaded is the one you touch off with
2017-12-17 17:34:03
Tom_L
JT-Shop, most of the stuff is cut out now
2017-12-17 17:34:07
slipalong
and it adjusts the position of all the tools based on that
2017-12-17 17:34:50
Tom_L
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Axis_Mount_Plates.jpg
2017-12-17 17:34:52
Tom_L
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Z_Column_Standoff2.jpg
2017-12-17 17:34:55
slipalong
cool thanks
2017-12-17 17:35:27
jthornton
also it helps to do a sanity check with each tool by loading it with Tn M6 G43 then move to a known height and verify you did it right
2017-12-17 17:35:39
jthornton
repeat with each tool to make sure your procedure is correct
2017-12-17 17:35:50
Tom_L
i did have a question about manual mode too
2017-12-17 17:36:22
Tom_L
when i start up and touch off the edges i do a G1 y -.1 F20 or such to move to the center of the wobbler
2017-12-17 17:36:45
Tom_L
which mode do i need to be in to repeat that to the same spot?
2017-12-17 17:36:55
Tom_L
if i do it again it will move to a different location
2017-12-17 17:37:23
Tom_L
i think that has to do with G90 G91 doesn't it?
2017-12-17 17:38:11
jthornton
that depends on exactly what you did as there are many things that can be called "touch off"
2017-12-17 17:38:18
slipalong
Incremental or relative
2017-12-17 17:38:28
Tom_L
for the material XY 0
2017-12-17 17:39:26
Tom_L
sometimes i go the wrong dirction so i reverse the sign but it doesn't always do what i expect
2017-12-17 17:39:33
jthornton
I just enter the offset for P1 G54 making sure you have the correct axis selected
2017-12-17 17:39:43
Tom_L
so do i
2017-12-17 17:40:00
Tom_L
but i use a wobbler which needs a -.1 back from where it says to stop
2017-12-17 17:40:25
jthornton
are you using a vise or clamps?
2017-12-17 17:40:45
Tom_L
vise usually
2017-12-17 17:40:53
Tom_L
but both
2017-12-17 17:42:07
jthornton
I touch off the front face of the rear jaw and forget about it, I put a 1/2 dowel in the chuck and position left or right edge of material against the dowel lock the vise down and set my x offset
2017-12-17 17:42:52
Tom_L
yeah, i change setups alot so i can't just check the back edge and forget it
2017-12-17 17:43:21
jthornton
how do you square up the material when clamping?
2017-12-17 17:43:36
Tom_L
like that plate i squared up. it took everything the sherline had to fit that in the 'box'
2017-12-17 17:44:00
Tom_L
i used 2 pins on the right side that i had just predrilled and reamed
2017-12-17 17:44:16
Tom_L
and let it hang over the table and trimmed the back side
2017-12-17 17:45:03
Tom_L
i've also got an issue with my pendant speed selector button
2017-12-17 17:45:07
jthornton
so you have a reference edge on the right?
2017-12-17 17:45:18
Tom_L
i get 'fast' and 'real slow' but the middle one quit working on me
2017-12-17 17:45:24
Tom_L
yes
2017-12-17 17:46:05
Tom_L
software looks ok on the pendant.. maybe a wire came loose
2017-12-17 17:46:06
Tom_L
dunno
2017-12-17 17:46:29
Tom_L
sure a bummer when you're trying to use it
2017-12-17 17:47:54
Tom_L
and i didn't wanna stop to fix it last night
2017-12-17 17:51:59
JT-Shop
I hate when stuff don't work right
2017-12-17 18:11:29
IchGucksLive
hi
2017-12-17 18:11:38
IchGucksLive
snowing outside
2017-12-17 18:24:22
HighInBC
nice
2017-12-17 18:42:08
gloops
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raglan-Little-John-Lathe/263387374119? decent old lathe
2017-12-17 19:08:23
phiplii
hum. are you allowed to undertake in the US?
2017-12-17 19:08:30
phiplii
(pass someone in the slower lane)
2017-12-17 19:08:53
phiplii
(in a car)
2017-12-17 19:10:36
gloops
disgusting practice
2017-12-17 19:10:44
gregcnc
we don't have slow lanes inthe US it's a free for all
2017-12-17 19:11:33
gloops
last person who did it to me lost the front of his audi s-line
2017-12-17 19:11:41
gloops
and i lost my no claims bonus
2017-12-17 19:13:42
phiplii
gloops, where abouts are you?
2017-12-17 19:13:53
gloops
im in the UK
2017-12-17 19:14:02
phiplii
:)
2017-12-17 19:14:06
phiplii
yeah - me too
2017-12-17 19:14:26
gregcnc
when you buy a car here you get a share of the road proportional to the perceived value of the car
2017-12-17 19:14:29
phiplii
Scariest thing I've had was a lorry decide to pull into my lane while I was passing it (in the fast lane)
2017-12-17 19:15:06
gregcnc
and don't encraoch on other's who own a bigger share than you
2017-12-17 19:15:32
phiplii
that explains why everyone likes big vehicles in the states :)
2017-12-17 19:16:15
gloops
well someone was trying to undertake me just as i was moving over - in my blindspot, front of his car got stuck in my rear wheel arch - and the front of his car became detached lol
2017-12-17 19:16:49
phiplii
thankfully I've not had a bump
2017-12-17 19:17:02
phiplii
other than while not in my car (someone decided to park where I was)
2017-12-17 19:17:57
gloops
the road is full of total nutters, i rarely drive over 65
2017-12-17 19:18:29
phiplii
I took my car off the road to save money
2017-12-17 19:18:48
phiplii
pays for christmas not running a car :)
2017-12-17 19:18:52
gregcnc
where do you drive it if not on the road?
2017-12-17 19:19:08
phiplii
don't any more - still have the car though
2017-12-17 19:19:22
phiplii
sometimes drive for work
2017-12-17 19:20:25
gloops
dont blame you
2017-12-17 19:21:17
gloops
i wouldnt like to be a motorcyclist these days
2017-12-17 19:21:29
phiplii
Yeah - shame. A bike would be great for me
2017-12-17 19:21:43
phiplii
something small - faster than a pushbike
2017-12-17 19:24:19
gloops
suppose it depends on the route, some roads arent so bad, others are terrible
2017-12-17 19:24:56
phiplii
it is faster to cycle for work around here
2017-12-17 19:25:06
phiplii
unless you go in at a weird time
2017-12-17 19:30:03
JT-Shop
hi phiplii
2017-12-17 19:30:33
JT-Shop
http://gnipsel.com/images/chickens/nestbox/
2017-12-17 19:31:42
phiplii
evening JT-Shop
2017-12-17 19:32:33
phiplii
our youngest has started laying
2017-12-17 19:32:37
phiplii
if I didn't say
2017-12-17 19:34:34
JT-Shop
mine have not started yet... I'm thinking just any day
2017-12-17 19:35:24
JT-Shop
mine will be 18 weeks wednesday
2017-12-17 19:36:36
JT-Shop
they have been on supplemental light in the morning but I've since read that pullets will usually lay anyway in the winter
2017-12-17 21:03:57
gloops
it is claimed by some that the T34 was the best tank of WW2
2017-12-17 21:04:37
pfred1
the tiger royale was the best
2017-12-17 21:04:55
pfred1
was just too expensive to produce in numbers
2017-12-17 21:05:47
gloops
well, thats the thing, what makes the best machine?
2017-12-17 21:05:58
gloops
the tiger was an awesome tank, but it lost
2017-12-17 21:06:03
pfred1
a Tiger 2 ws just about unstoppable
2017-12-17 21:06:35
gloops
it took 12 shermans on average to destroy 1 tiger i think
2017-12-17 21:06:41
pfred1
the only reason it lost is because the krauts couldn't fuel it
2017-12-17 21:06:59
pfred1
yuo can't fault the vehicle for that though
2017-12-17 21:07:16
gloops
the germans couldnt stop an assault by equal numbers of t34s at kursk
2017-12-17 21:07:45
gloops
those tiger shells just bounced off the t34 turret
2017-12-17 21:07:47
pfred1
what the Germans couldn't do was defeat prepared defensive positions 5 mles in depth
2017-12-17 21:08:11
pfred1
well the northern pincer did but the southern one didn't
2017-12-17 21:09:02
pfred1
realize that half of the total deaths in the war were Russians
2017-12-17 21:09:29
pfred1
every other person that died due to WW2 was Russian
2017-12-17 21:09:34
gloops
that could have been stalins tactics, he allowed the germans to advance
2017-12-17 21:11:45
gloops
its a bit like evolution, in fact its exactly the same
2017-12-17 21:12:08
pfred1
the Germans lost in Kursk because 1 the Allies knew bout it and 2 the attack was delayed until the new Panthers were ready
2017-12-17 21:12:09
gloops
what might seem an unlikely 'fittest' candidate, wins
2017-12-17 21:12:28
pfred1
though they still weren't ready
2017-12-17 21:12:32
Contract_Pilot
Some small things todo today befor i get to play
2017-12-17 21:12:53
pfred1
half the Panters were lost due to transmission problems
2017-12-17 21:13:12
gloops
yes they were rushed out without proper trials
2017-12-17 21:13:25
pfred1
well time was of the essence
2017-12-17 21:13:28
gloops
however that was a german mistake
2017-12-17 21:13:36
gloops
it cost them the war
2017-12-17 21:13:43
pfred1
no it didn't
2017-12-17 21:13:59
gloops
the core of the german armour was lost
2017-12-17 21:14:01
pfred1
invading russia in the first place cost them the war
2017-12-17 21:14:25
gloops
when Britain was still alive, certainly
2017-12-17 21:14:33
pfred1
or failing to knock England out
2017-12-17 21:14:43
cpresser
you guys should play more axis and allies
2017-12-17 21:15:04
pfred1
Hitler was too soft on England
2017-12-17 21:15:21
gloops
well ive been watching some old tank battles for inspiration
2017-12-17 21:15:36
gloops
too soft, or too scared
2017-12-17 21:15:47
gloops
his beloved luftwaffe took a hammering
2017-12-17 21:16:09
gloops
his invasion force was never able to board the landing vessels
2017-12-17 21:16:16
gloops
bombed out
2017-12-17 21:16:20
pfred1
the Germans never embraced strategic bombing like they should have
2017-12-17 21:16:34
gloops
they never had an adequate bomber
2017-12-17 21:16:44
pfred1
it was simply too inhumane for them
2017-12-17 21:17:16
pfred1
but the Allies had no reservations when it ame to burning hundreds of thousands alive
2017-12-17 21:17:39
gloops
well we tried to hit the factories
2017-12-17 21:18:15
gloops
remember the words of bomber harris 'hitler sowed the wind, he will reap the whirlwind'
2017-12-17 21:18:17
cpresser
dresden? the whole city a factory?
2017-12-17 21:18:24
gloops
he started it
2017-12-17 21:18:47
cpresser
imho germans didn't kill that much civilians at the time was because they did not have the tools for it
2017-12-17 21:18:55
gloops
he wanted war, he got war!
2017-12-17 21:20:31
pfred1
gloops actually he didn't start it
2017-12-17 21:20:43
pfred1
England declared war on Germany
2017-12-17 21:21:21
gloops
england told hitler that if he invaded poland a state of war would exist between england and germany
2017-12-17 21:21:24
gloops
he invaded
2017-12-17 21:21:40
pfred1
so Poland is part of the UK?
2017-12-17 21:22:11
gloops
pfred are you saying it was acceptable to invade poland?
2017-12-17 21:22:32
gloops
hitler was already in dire breach of the versailles treaty
2017-12-17 21:22:36
pfred1
Poland was taken from the AstroHungarian Empire at the end of WW1
2017-12-17 21:22:49
pfred1
so yeah it was Germanic land
2017-12-17 21:23:02
gloops
a small part of it, however germany lost that war
2017-12-17 21:23:22
pfred1
so they shoud lose their land because of it?
2017-12-17 21:23:50
gloops
yes when you lose a war you lose your land quite often
2017-12-17 21:24:08
gloops
just as when german aggression deprived others of their land
2017-12-17 21:24:13
pfred1
we found out doing that is a mistake
2017-12-17 21:24:35
pfred1
which is why we ended WW2 much differently
2017-12-17 21:24:50
gloops
the mistake was in not taking all the land
2017-12-17 21:24:52
pfred1
it worked too didn't it?
2017-12-17 21:25:20
gloops
i think that remains to be seen pfred
2017-12-17 21:25:28
pfred1
we've seen it
2017-12-17 21:25:35
pfred1
everyone alive then is dead now
2017-12-17 21:25:44
gloops
its been quiet maybe, for a while
2017-12-17 21:26:09
pfred1
no hard feelings
2017-12-17 21:26:09
roycroft
the uk and france signed an agreement with poland in 1939 guaranteeing they would declare war on germany were germany to invade poland
2017-12-17 21:26:10
gloops
for a bit too long maybe, its about due to kick off again anytime
2017-12-17 21:26:26
roycroft
germany was well aware of this agreement, and invaded poland anyway
2017-12-17 21:26:45
roycroft
the uk and france, bound by their agreement, then declared war on germany
2017-12-17 21:26:51
pfred1
so did the Soviet Union
2017-12-17 21:27:04
roycroft
that in no way can be convoluted to claim that the uk started the war
2017-12-17 21:27:05
pfred1
why didn't England and France declare war against the USSR?
2017-12-17 21:27:09
roycroft
germany started it by invading poland
2017-12-17 21:27:25
gloops
france and russia usually have an agreement to contain german aggression
2017-12-17 21:27:26
roycroft
because there was no agreement to do so
2017-12-17 21:27:39
gloops
until the post war era that is
2017-12-17 21:29:59
roycroft
at any rate, the declaration of war was a formality
2017-12-17 21:30:06
pfred1
Czar Russia was long gone at that point
2017-12-17 21:30:18
roycroft
the uk nor france initiated agressive action against germany after declaring war
2017-12-17 21:31:29
gloops
amazingly, after ww1 france did not stand down its army, it kept 500 divisions in uniform, until around 1937!
2017-12-17 21:31:41
gloops
when the germans arrived it couldnt mount a defence
2017-12-17 21:32:36
roycroft
i think i've sorted out my acrylic problem
2017-12-17 21:32:45
roycroft
it has nothing to do with loc-tite
2017-12-17 21:32:54
roycroft
it has to do with the countersunk holes
2017-12-17 21:33:11
gloops
what was the problem?
2017-12-17 21:33:52
roycroft
the countersink i used was 90 degrees
2017-12-17 21:33:56
roycroft
not 82 degrees
2017-12-17 21:34:20
roycroft
so even "just snugging up" a screw put a lot of pressure on a single thin ring in the countersunk hole
2017-12-17 21:34:31
roycroft
i tested with loc-tite alone and nothing craked
2017-12-17 21:34:34
roycroft
cracked
2017-12-17 21:34:54
roycroft
i drilled four countersunk holes and they did not crack
2017-12-17 21:35:19
roycroft
i put a screw in one of them and snugged it up on a nut lightly and it cracked after a few minutes
2017-12-17 21:35:28
roycroft
these are 6-32 screws
2017-12-17 21:35:36
roycroft
and i really did use a light touch
2017-12-17 21:35:46
roycroft
i think it's a combination of wrong angle and crappy acrylic
2017-12-17 21:37:03
roycroft
the oak base looks a lot nicer anyway :)
2017-12-17 21:37:21
roycroft
so using crappy acrylic and the wrong countersink ended up being a feature
2017-12-17 21:44:45
gloops
acrylic does crack easy though
2017-12-17 21:52:37
jym
You shouldn't "secure" fasten acryic, Use a gromet or let it "float".
2017-12-17 21:53:09
roycroft
i was trying not to put any pressure on the acrylic
2017-12-17 21:53:18
roycroft
i needed flush fasteners on the base of this
2017-12-17 21:53:24
roycroft
so i drilled and countersunk holes
2017-12-17 21:53:33
roycroft
and put loc-tite on the fasteners
2017-12-17 21:54:00
roycroft
the idea being that i would tighten them just enough so the standoffs were in contact with the acrylic
2017-12-17 21:54:07
jym
Even alcohol can fracture (not the right word) acrylic
2017-12-17 21:54:10
roycroft
but it apears that even that was too much pressure
2017-12-17 21:54:17
pfred1
craze
2017-12-17 21:54:22
jym
pfred1: thank you
2017-12-17 21:54:23
roycroft
craze, yes
2017-12-17 21:54:36
pfred1
cra cra
2017-12-17 21:54:46
gloops
there re 2 kinds though, cast and rolled or something
2017-12-17 21:54:51
roycroft
and i was reading last night that if you clean acrylic with any hydrocarbon-based cleaner it can craze after as long a several months
2017-12-17 21:54:52
jym
MAybe craxing and the pressure fro the screw did it
2017-12-17 21:54:54
roycroft
cast and extruded
2017-12-17 21:54:59
gloops
one is stronger
2017-12-17 21:55:05
roycroft
cast is generally stronger
2017-12-17 21:55:12
pfred1
polycarbonate is better
2017-12-17 21:55:22
roycroft
polycarbonate is different
2017-12-17 21:55:26
roycroft
that's not to say it's better
2017-12-17 21:55:44
jym
Ther eis cast and extruded acrylic, I ONLY use cast
2017-12-17 21:55:45
roycroft
i chose acrylic for this project because acrylic is more scratch-resistant than polycarbonate
2017-12-17 21:56:10
pfred1
I thought acryic scratched more?
2017-12-17 21:56:14
roycroft
and this is a collet stand, which is going to sit in a drawer in a machinery cabinet, and get jostled
2017-12-17 21:56:21
roycroft
no
2017-12-17 21:56:26
roycroft
acrylic breaks a lot more easily
2017-12-17 21:56:46
roycroft
but it is more resistant to scratching than polycarbonate
2017-12-17 21:56:57
roycroft
it's also more transparent than polycarbonate
2017-12-17 21:57:02
pfred1
I made a collet holder out of a block of HDPE
2017-12-17 21:57:07
roycroft
but both polycarbonate and acrylic are more transparent than glass
2017-12-17 21:57:08
pfred1
HDPE is tugh stuff
2017-12-17 21:57:12
pfred1
tough
2017-12-17 21:57:32
roycroft
well the top of this is now acrylic, and the bottom is red oak
2017-12-17 21:57:39
roycroft
and that's fine
2017-12-17 21:57:45
roycroft
better than both parts being acrylic
2017-12-17 21:57:57
pfred1
HDPE is not transparent though
2017-12-17 21:58:05
roycroft
no
2017-12-17 21:58:11
roycroft
although transparency is not required for this
2017-12-17 21:58:15
roycroft
it's a collet holder
2017-12-17 21:58:31
pfred1
yuo should get into cooking HDPE
2017-12-17 21:58:37
roycroft
but i had some acrylic and thought it give it a nice look
2017-12-17 21:58:41
Deejay
gn8
2017-12-17 21:58:44
pfred1
uunless you can get cut offs from a sign maker
2017-12-17 21:59:14
pfred1
they only get 2 cents a pound for HDPE scrap
2017-12-17 21:59:36
pfred1
so the stuff ain't evne worth loading at that price
2017-12-17 22:18:28
Rab
I've seen just about everything, including loctite and oil-based flood coolants, promote stress cracking in polycarbonate. Now I specify water as the only coolant for PC operations.
2017-12-17 22:22:55
jym
Rab: MEK makes GREAT acrylic coolant )
2017-12-17 22:23:29
roycroft
i've read anecdotes that even soapy water used as a lubricant can cause crazing in acrylic
2017-12-17 22:23:53
jym
nah, I use it all the time
2017-12-17 22:24:17
Rab
jym, great news, furiously filling reservoir with premium MEK.
2017-12-17 22:24:24
jym
but not as a lube, but to preven tthe vaporization from reforming.
2017-12-17 22:24:55
jym
Rab: Heh, you must NOT be in California, as MEK is a banned substance <rolls eyes>
2017-12-17 22:25:42
dioz
how do i know what i can put in a cylinder?
2017-12-17 22:25:48
dioz
aluminium cylinder
2017-12-17 22:26:01
MrHindsight
jym: is mere possession banned or can you keep it sealed and work with it?
2017-12-17 22:26:19
dioz
i had CO2 in it at one point
2017-12-17 22:26:23
roycroft
um, put something in the cylinder, and if it goes in the cylinder you know that you can put it there?
2017-12-17 22:26:26
dioz
can i put argon in it?
2017-12-17 22:27:10
Rab
jym, I'm in Texas, we use it to clean the storm drains.
2017-12-17 22:27:10
jym
MrHindsight: Ability to purchase in anything larger than 2 to 4 ounces
2017-12-17 22:27:20
jym
Rab: haha
2017-12-17 22:27:21
MrHindsight
wow
2017-12-17 22:27:46
jym
MrHindsight: I had to smuggle it across the border (from Nevada)
2017-12-17 22:27:51
roycroft
most industrial chemicals that are "banned" in california are available under license for industrial use but sale is restricted for consumers
2017-12-17 22:28:15
Rab
Well, maybe not. But it is freely available at Home Depot.
2017-12-17 22:28:32
MrHindsight
jym: sounds like a show on the Howto network
2017-12-17 22:28:34
roycroft
it's still available for consumer sale here in oregon
2017-12-17 22:28:36
jym
Rab: Not in Calif
2017-12-17 22:28:45
roycroft
and we're fairly restrictive on such things
2017-12-17 22:28:52
roycroft
not as much as california, of course
2017-12-17 22:29:00
roycroft
but certainly moreso than, say, alabama
2017-12-17 22:29:02
jym
Kormifornia
2017-12-17 22:29:11
MrHindsight
is acetone exempt?
2017-12-17 22:30:32
roycroft
oregon focuses more on environmental hazards than health hazards when putting restrictions on products
2017-12-17 22:30:36
Rab
dioz, there should be a rating on the cylinder you can use to see what's approved. I do believe there's a difference between CO2 and other cylinders, might just be that CO2 rating isn't as stringent.
2017-12-17 22:30:50
roycroft
california, i think, is equally concerned about both
2017-12-17 22:31:21
MrHindsight
can you buy cans of spray paint at the stores in CA?
2017-12-17 22:31:25
Rab
If the cylinder is unmarked, I'm not sure I would put anything in it.
2017-12-17 22:33:36
roycroft
i'm sure i wouldn't put anything in it under pressure if it's not marked
2017-12-17 22:33:54
pfred1
marked how?
2017-12-17 22:34:27
roycroft
a gas cylinder is stamped with a tare weight and an expiration date
2017-12-17 22:34:40
pfred1
ah stamped
2017-12-17 22:34:47
roycroft
if it's expired it needs to be retested before it can be filled, and a new expiration date stamped on it
2017-12-17 22:35:18
pfred1
I need to restamp my tank here
2017-12-17 22:35:32
Rab
https://trainex.org/osc2012/uploads/516/40_Sec%205%20-%20Cylinder%20Identification%202.pdf
2017-12-17 22:36:00
Rab
(Seems like a good resource, but might be US-centric)
2017-12-17 22:39:10
pfred1
bad link
2017-12-17 22:39:37
Rab
https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/
2017-12-17 22:39:49
dioz
how long does a tank of argon last?
2017-12-17 22:40:02
pfred1
GnuTLS: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.
2017-12-17 22:42:46
roycroft
about 42 seconds when tig welding :)
2017-12-17 22:43:11
pfred1
I have a 330 cuft argon cylinder
2017-12-17 22:43:30
pfred1
one size up from the 244
2017-12-17 22:44:37
_methods
they always last until the most inconvenient moment to have to refill
2017-12-17 22:44:41
roycroft
the real answer is that it lasts until five minutes after it's too late to go swap it out at the welding gas shop on a friday afternoon
2017-12-17 22:45:10
pfred1
that's why I stick weld
2017-12-17 22:45:11
_methods
that would also be a correct answer
2017-12-17 22:50:08
pfred1
JB Weld-It
2017-12-17 23:16:55
Contract_Pilot
need to find a decent source on a mechanical switch like this.. http://www.microprecision.ch/images/produits/switch/MP600%20M8%20bille1.PNG
2017-12-17 23:19:46
Tom_shop
https://www.wolfautomation.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/13218/s/limit-switch-5-36-vdc-cylindrical-threaded/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvYLntJeS2AIVB6rsCh3bgg5dEAQYAyABEgL5cfD_BwE
2017-12-17 23:19:59
Tom_shop
and just like that one appears
2017-12-17 23:20:32
Tom_shop
holy crap that's expensive
2017-12-17 23:27:26
pfred1
no one grows up dreaming about being a switch maker
2017-12-17 23:33:57
Contract_Pilot
wow...
2017-12-17 23:34:03
Contract_Pilot
nope
2017-12-17 23:34:35
Contract_Pilot
Prox switch is only 30.00
2017-12-17 23:45:31
MrHindsight
Tom_shop: 1um accuracy
2017-12-17 23:45:50
Contract_Pilot
Already have a PNP NC in the x Axis home but new board requires NPN
2017-12-17 23:45:59
Contract_Pilot
http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/F869B4A6-E7B5-43C3-A0F4-76A941505CA7-e1513226951917-768x1024.jpeg
2017-12-17 23:46:46
MrHindsight
Tom_shop: that's like 200x times more accurate than most cnc routers
2017-12-17 23:58:21
pfred1
Contract_Pilot transistors?
2017-12-17 23:58:27
Contract_Pilot
Making it clean is the goal so hiding the limit switches is imparative
2017-12-18 00:03:29
Contract_Pilot
Home limits can come after surg recovery tonights Goal is to get the VFD Wired need to get the Emmerson Commander pin and go to the Hitachai WJ200
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2017-12-18 01:16:10
clipperch580
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2017-12-18 01:16:15
clipperch580
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2017-12-18 01:16:20
clipperch580
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2017-12-18 01:16:25
clipperch580
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2017-12-18 01:16:25
Loetmichel
man, that is some persistent asshole bot
2017-12-18 01:16:30
clipperch580
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2017-12-18 01:16:32
MrHindsight
seb_kuzminsky: ffffllllll0000000000dddddddd
2017-12-18 01:16:35
clipperch580
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2017-12-18 01:16:40
clipperch580
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2017-12-18 01:16:45
clipperch580
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2017-12-18 01:16:50
clipperch580
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2017-12-18 01:16:56
clipperch580
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2017-12-18 01:17:00
XXCoder
talking in freenode
2017-12-18 01:17:01
krabador
wei clipperch580 , your ex boyfriend is nigger?
2017-12-18 01:17:12
krabador
come on, do outingù!
2017-12-18 01:17:13
Loetmichel
thanks, ilbelkyr
2017-12-18 01:17:16
krabador
*outing
2017-12-18 01:17:27
PlasmaStar
What a smart thing to say krabador :)
2017-12-18 01:17:41
XXCoder
boom kline hammer
2017-12-18 01:17:43
XXCoder
yay
2017-12-18 01:17:50
roycroft
"good bye" comes to mind
2017-12-18 01:18:00
krabador
z_ch00_334 send CTCP
2017-12-18 01:18:09
krabador
that's the annoying thing
2017-12-18 01:18:09
roycroft
to the both of you
2017-12-18 01:18:16
sync
well, the LRH people are on it again today
2017-12-18 01:18:25
Loetmichel
whatever that is
2017-12-18 01:18:28
sync
unlikely that they are not going to come back
2017-12-18 01:18:34
sync
l0de radio hour
2017-12-18 01:18:35
andypugh
Looks like time to give up for the night.
2017-12-18 01:18:37
roycroft
you mean the 2-year-olds?
2017-12-18 01:18:49
roycroft
fortunately we have /ignore :)
2017-12-18 01:19:04
XXCoder
some bots send pms constantly
2017-12-18 01:19:27
Loetmichel
nice way to get instabanned
2017-12-18 01:19:27
sync
join #lrh on efnet for the fun
2017-12-18 01:19:30
Loetmichel
for the bot
2017-12-18 01:19:32
MrHindsight
good thing I'll never get PMS
2017-12-18 01:19:37
XXCoder
sync: you a member?
2017-12-18 01:19:37
roycroft
shunning is usually pretty effective
2017-12-18 01:19:43
sync
they sometimes have good trolling in there
2017-12-18 01:19:53
XXCoder
btw if you get pm spam, just change nick
2017-12-18 01:20:01
roycroft
or use /ignore
2017-12-18 01:20:02
sync
XXCoder: no, but I sometimes listen to their show
2017-12-18 01:20:21
XXCoder
what is LRH anyway
2017-12-18 01:20:34
sync
l0de radio hour
2017-12-18 01:20:37
XXCoder
lie-republician house?
2017-12-18 01:20:53
sync
basically it is a cesspool of trolls and a call in number with l0de as the host
2017-12-18 01:20:54
roycroft
those people are not republicans
2017-12-18 01:20:57
roycroft
they're just idiots
2017-12-18 01:21:13
roycroft
this is not political - it's puerile
2017-12-18 01:21:20
MrHindsight
got klined
2017-12-18 01:21:26
roycroft
great
2017-12-18 01:21:30
roycroft
i can remove the /ignores now :)
2017-12-18 01:21:31
sync
they usually post the number on craigslist to get people to call the show and l0de tries to set them up that some craigslisters meet up and stuff happens
2017-12-18 01:21:32
malcom2073
They got a ton of IPs, kines don't stop them
2017-12-18 01:21:44
XXCoder
roycroft: yeah was largely kidding
2017-12-18 01:21:52
sync
especially in places with video cameras or boots on ground to take video
2017-12-18 01:22:07
Loetmichel
sync: you are not better than those idiots then.
2017-12-18 01:22:14
sync
am I?
2017-12-18 01:22:18
roycroft
huh?
2017-12-18 01:22:41
krabador
buahahahahah
2017-12-18 01:22:46
Loetmichel
ah, sorry, i read "I opost the number"
2017-12-18 01:22:52
krabador
i'm invited on #krabadorisanigger10
2017-12-18 01:23:09
krabador
from z_ch00_334 (card.freenode.net)
2017-12-18 01:23:15
sync
well, it seems like they have some internal issues
2017-12-18 01:23:24
XXCoder
like bring racist?
2017-12-18 01:23:28
sync
somebody is spamming tor CP sites
2017-12-18 01:23:34
sync
and they are trying to ddos him off the web
2017-12-18 01:23:41
roycroft
i don't even think they're racist necessarily, xxcoder
2017-12-18 01:24:02
sync
they make it appear like they are, but in reality they do it for the trolling potential
2017-12-18 01:24:06
roycroft
more like little children who can get away with saying naughty words because they think mommy is not listening
2017-12-18 01:24:30
roycroft
roycroft turns his attention back to autocad
2017-12-18 01:24:34
enleth
I sure hope they piss off someone with a bigger botnet once again
2017-12-18 01:24:36
XXCoder
not always
2017-12-18 01:24:39
Loetmichel
roycroft: that sounds about right
2017-12-18 01:24:42
enleth
they managed to do that last year
2017-12-18 01:24:55
enleth
it was quite funny indeed
2017-12-18 01:25:40
sync
who? marco?
2017-12-18 01:25:51
sync
well, it kinda seems like the war started again :D
2017-12-18 01:25:54
roycroft
polo?
2017-12-18 01:26:07
sync
nah, marco the guy that spams tor cp links
2017-12-18 01:26:28
roycroft
i'm so glad i don't operate an irc server any more
2017-12-18 01:26:37
krabador
do you know marco the troll?
2017-12-18 01:26:42
krabador
here too?
2017-12-18 01:26:43
roycroft
i can ignore most of the crap
2017-12-18 01:27:52
ziper
i wonder why i wasnt in the spam list in this channel but i was in other channels
2017-12-18 01:28:27
malcom2073
ziper: Randomness is random?
2017-12-18 01:28:43
sync
probably pro codes
2017-12-18 01:28:44
enleth
no idea who that was who retaliated back then but word was, they threw a couple hundred gigabits at the originating addresses just to get them to stop fast
2017-12-18 01:29:04
krabador
do you've invites in channel , from z_ch00_334 ?
2017-12-18 01:29:05
XXCoder
randomness yeah. never got any dings thankfully
2017-12-18 01:29:17
roycroft
there is arguably no such thing as true randomness
2017-12-18 01:29:20
enleth
someone must've got the message too, they stopped spawning new sources
2017-12-18 01:29:28
roycroft
only behaviors that have not been sufficiently analysed
2017-12-18 01:29:45
sync
well, I guess someone is pretty motivated as lrh is on tonight
2017-12-18 01:30:18
XXCoder
or maybe just cant get pecker up without spamming enough so can pleasure himself
2017-12-18 01:30:20
roycroft
i still don't really understand what lrh is, but i'm not interested enough to want to understand
2017-12-18 01:30:40
roycroft
when i was younger i was curious about everything
2017-12-18 01:30:49
roycroft
now i'm old and my brain is filling up
2017-12-18 01:31:00
roycroft
and i've become more selective with my curiosity
2017-12-18 01:35:20
krabador
they're back on #kodi,#kodi-linux,#mpd
2017-12-18 01:35:26
krabador
be reay.
2017-12-18 01:35:28
krabador
*ready
2017-12-18 01:36:40
XXCoder
krabador: they go to random channels
2017-12-18 01:37:01
XXCoder
im in #freenode and people talk about bunch of channels and different nicks
2017-12-18 01:37:02
krabador
yes
2017-12-18 01:37:13
krabador
i'm there too
2017-12-18 01:37:41
krabador
annoying thing is ctcp
2017-12-18 01:38:04
krabador
for the rest they can spam what they want. it's possible to ignore
2017-12-18 01:38:43
Contract_Pilot
may not be able to use my WJ200
2017-12-18 01:39:24
XXCoder
heh hope they enjoy cptp version I have :P
2017-12-18 01:39:30
XXCoder
ctcp
2017-12-18 01:42:16
Contract_Pilot
http://www.stevenrhine.com/TL-BOB/
2017-12-18 01:42:27
Contract_Pilot
ahhhh was ment for pm
2017-12-18 01:42:48
XXCoder
I like your porn collection
2017-12-18 02:13:25
Contract_Pilot
http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Tormach-VFD-Connections-Emmerson-846x1024.jpg
2017-12-18 02:17:18
MarcelineVQ
word to the wise, you can block ctcp related requests in any good irc client
2017-12-18 02:17:42
XXCoder
or just change nick
2017-12-18 02:19:25
Contract_Pilot
they cut my bacon in the morning so i will be down for min 1 maybe 2 weeks
2017-12-18 02:19:50
Contract_Pilot
Sucks just when i start making progress again i get knocked down.
2017-12-18 02:20:26
Contract_Pilot
But be nice to be able to push pull again with out hitting my knee's
2017-12-18 02:20:43
Contract_Pilot
And Lift...
2017-12-18 02:20:50
Contract_Pilot
Darn Genetics.
2017-12-18 02:33:22
Contract_Pilot
ok off to lowes...
2017-12-18 05:58:12
Contract_Pilot
Well not gonna get crap done... tonight
2017-12-18 06:02:49
`Wolf
mostly almost getting stuff done here...
2017-12-18 06:04:45
`Wolf
just tossed a indicator on one of the TTS holders in the jet mill, run out on the outside of the collet holder body, 0.0003” …
2017-12-18 06:06:10
`Wolf
random 3/8” steel pin reading 0.0025” runout in the er-16 collet
2017-12-18 06:12:07
gloops
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Woodworking-Dust-Extractor/302561645550? always too far away
2017-12-18 06:27:12
`Wolf
meh, I think I can work with this mill… just checked the tram
2017-12-18 06:28:26
`Wolf
0.001” over 14” span is kinda ok right? =)
2017-12-18 06:28:43
XXCoder
no idea lol
2017-12-18 06:28:52
XXCoder
depends a lot on what you need
2017-12-18 06:28:56
gloops
yes that will do i suppose
2017-12-18 06:30:20
`Wolf
hell that could be error in the pin that I have the indicator attached to.. (or the other way and its really not trammed lol)
2017-12-18 06:34:29
longbow
good morning! :)
2017-12-18 06:34:51
longbow
I'm looking for a motherboard (mini-ITX) for linuxcnc with mesa 6i25 cards.
2017-12-18 06:35:16
longbow
Is this ASUS with Celeron good?: ASUS N3150I-C CELERON MINI-ITX LGA1151
2017-12-18 06:43:10
longbow
Is this more appropriate: MXGTH0-A0UAYZ ? - Asrock Intel J1900
2017-12-18 06:45:39
MrHindsight
just about any board with PCIe will work
2017-12-18 06:46:36
MrHindsight
longbow: ^^
2017-12-18 06:47:12
longbow
even with an integrated Celeron? :)
2017-12-18 06:48:51
MrHindsight
why not?
2017-12-18 06:49:09
MrHindsight
you're not planning any software stepping
2017-12-18 06:53:46
IchGucksLive
morning
2017-12-18 06:55:36
IchGucksLive
longbow: still on
2017-12-18 06:58:18
longbow
still on
2017-12-18 06:58:36
longbow
no, I use servos
2017-12-18 06:58:38
IchGucksLive
if you go mesa there is no hint to the pc
2017-12-18 06:58:46
longbow
ok
2017-12-18 06:58:50
IchGucksLive
the cards got there own mind
2017-12-18 06:59:08
IchGucksLive
and dont rely on board power
2017-12-18 06:59:19
IchGucksLive
i woudt go for the J1900
2017-12-18 06:59:32
IchGucksLive
it is the better performence board
2017-12-18 06:59:51
IchGucksLive
and alot here using this
2017-12-18 06:59:52
longbow
better than ASUS N3150I-C?
2017-12-18 07:02:44
IchGucksLive
i say yes as it has also more flexibility
2017-12-18 07:03:40
IchGucksLive
but it up to you the asus is shure the newer one
2017-12-18 07:03:59
longbow
Im deciding
2017-12-18 07:04:15
longbow
is newer always better? :P
2017-12-18 07:04:23
IchGucksLive
no
2017-12-18 07:04:44
IchGucksLive
if you grap a new version you might be the first in trouble
2017-12-18 07:07:06
longbow
hehe
2017-12-18 07:12:07
gloops
he who dares wins!
2017-12-18 07:14:48
Cromaglious
I'm running Atom 4 core .4Ghz mini ITX Mini-box.com cases, biggest problem is only 2GB RAM max...
2017-12-18 07:14:55
Cromaglious
1.4ghz
2017-12-18 07:16:53
longbow
why you need more than 2GB??
2017-12-18 07:18:45
gloops
you can never have enough RAM
2017-12-18 07:18:57
longbow
but for running linuxcnc?
2017-12-18 07:20:10
gloops
ive no idea what would be a minimum for linuxcnc, mine ran fine with 2
2017-12-18 07:20:55
longbow
I also think that for linuxcnc you dont need more than 2gb. Also with 1gb should work
2017-12-18 07:21:40
gloops
something you can easily monitor while linux is running, the scope to add more would always be preferable id think
2017-12-18 07:22:43
`Wolf
need the extra ram to cover the overhead from firefox when your watching youtube while machining
2017-12-18 07:24:13
gloops
these old XP era pcs run linuxcnc fine using parport, ive not used mesa yet so dont really know what extra requirements for processing power or memory
2017-12-18 07:25:22
longbow
i have one linuxcnc system up and running with 3 mesa cards 6i25+7i77+7i64 wuth 2GB and works no problem
2017-12-18 07:27:34
Contract_Pilot
Thinking one of these for the X axis home switch https://www.alliedelec.com/search/productview.aspx?SKU=70207613
2017-12-18 07:28:15
Contract_Pilot
I am using 50.00 lenovo's hahaha
2017-12-18 07:28:33
gloops
i can tell you something, half inch thick aluminium plate - 8 inch wide DOES bend - a friggin lot
2017-12-18 07:28:43
gloops
i knew i should have gone for 20mm
2017-12-18 07:30:34
longbow
which type of aluminium?
2017-12-18 07:32:23
gloops
Grade: 6082 T6
2017-12-18 07:33:34
gloops
its not bolted yet but if i put pressure on it i can see it moving
2017-12-18 07:37:16
gloops
the plates are cupped by about 1mm, so much for the accuracy of aluminium components, box section steel is closer
2017-12-18 07:38:32
Contract_Pilot
1/2" aluminum will bend simply
2017-12-18 07:38:51
gloops
i knew, its my own fault
2017-12-18 07:39:11
Contract_Pilot
7075 will not as easy it just cracks
2017-12-18 07:40:27
gloops
just a question of by how much when cutting, and theres only one way to find out
2017-12-18 07:43:40
archivist
add webs to stop bending
2017-12-18 07:44:33
gloops
the back plate will be ok the linear bearings will brace it, its the front one
2017-12-18 07:45:02
gloops
might be better mounting the rails on the front
2017-12-18 07:45:20
Loetmichel
7075 has a monstrous mininmal bend radius. that stuff is nearly as brittle as cast alu
2017-12-18 07:46:03
gloops
as i understand, the bendiness banwidth accross various alloys is not great
2017-12-18 07:46:13
gloops
a few percent
2017-12-18 07:46:31
Loetmichel
i dont mean bendiness
2017-12-18 07:46:46
Loetmichel
i mean minimum radius of bend before it cracks
2017-12-18 07:47:08
gloops
thats like shear values, im more concerned with deflection
2017-12-18 07:47:26
Loetmichel
even AlMg3 starts cracking if you have an 1/8" sheet and bend it to 1mm inner radius
2017-12-18 07:48:00
Loetmichel
been there, seen that, looks like a sponge on the outside afterwards
2017-12-18 07:48:14
Contract_Pilot
Ahhhh well back to trying to figure the woring from emmerson VFD to hitiachi WJ200 VFD
2017-12-18 07:48:29
gloops
ive paid £50 for a mis-shaped sheet of melted down pop cans !
2017-12-18 07:49:06
Loetmichel
nope. if it were remeltet pop cans without refinement you would look at a LOT more stresses in the material
2017-12-18 07:49:37
Loetmichel
i have seen 1' pieces of 8mm thick sheet alu that bends 15mmU!
2017-12-18 07:49:50
Loetmichel
15mm(!) whnen milled on one side
2017-12-18 07:49:55
gloops
the ones i made myself do not bend
2017-12-18 07:50:16
gloops
6 inch wide
2017-12-18 07:50:37
Loetmichel
if you want less "bendiness" go to cast aluminium plates
2017-12-18 07:50:51
Loetmichel
and stress relieve them before milling
2017-12-18 07:51:02
gloops
i tried, well anyway i can make some more, i bought these to save time
2017-12-18 07:53:09
gloops
i begin to wonder how accurate these ally extrusion machines are after all
2017-12-18 07:56:31
Deejay
moin
2017-12-18 07:56:44
Loetmichel
gloops: not that much
2017-12-18 07:56:59
Loetmichel
all that extrusion stuff is "banana"
2017-12-18 07:57:09
gloops
i can believe it
2017-12-18 07:57:17
Loetmichel
never seen more than 1' even remotely straight
2017-12-18 07:57:57
archivist
the start of an extrusion run is specially bad
2017-12-18 07:58:36
Loetmichel
you can buy some "straightened" stuff here. that went thru a press to straighten the worst bends out after extrusion and cooldown.
2017-12-18 07:58:36
gloops
i might do a photo comparison of this, the cupped shiny ally plate with a straight edge accross, and the flat mild steel plate
2017-12-18 07:58:50
gloops
see what the shiny ally machine owners on facebook think
2017-12-18 07:58:53
Loetmichel
downside of that stuff is that it introduces stress into the material...
2017-12-18 07:59:19
Loetmichel
when you cut the surface on one side it bends worse than the normal extrusion stuff
2017-12-18 07:59:50
Loetmichel
hmmm
2017-12-18 07:59:58
Loetmichel
cold rolled steel does the same trick
2017-12-18 08:00:06
gloops
i bet hiwin square rails would struggle on these plates
2017-12-18 08:00:18
gloops
espeically if you got the cupping opposing
2017-12-18 08:00:41
archivist
hiwin etc will need pulling straight
2017-12-18 08:01:05
Loetmichel
aluminium is weak enough that the usual router bed constructions simply bend into shape ;)
2017-12-18 08:01:41
Loetmichel
or the gantry follows the inward bend of the y axis and simply shrinks in the middle
2017-12-18 08:01:46
gloops
i watch some vids comparing rails, hiwin is very unforgiving, couple of mm out you got problems
2017-12-18 08:02:26
Loetmichel
ALL ball bearing linear rails are unforgiving
2017-12-18 08:02:27
archivist
couple mm is a mile in good machine making terms
2017-12-18 08:02:54
gloops
yes a couple of mm is a mile, and thats what these plates would give without any preparation
2017-12-18 08:02:56
Loetmichel
you dont notice it on "flying" rails or SBR because they have enough "give" in them that they can cope
2017-12-18 08:03:25
gloops
the round rails can pivot so you got plenty of movement in that direction
2017-12-18 08:03:58
gloops
the rollon type rails are designed for poor alignment
2017-12-18 08:04:15
gloops
for like 3rd world applications
2017-12-18 08:04:47
Loetmichel
when i bolted down the SBRS on my 6040 to the desk i had to straighten them a good 3mm to get the gantry move in a straight line and dont do "bows"
2017-12-18 08:05:14
gloops
my sbrs are bent 10mm
2017-12-18 08:05:36
gloops
which im putting down to transit, hopefully the screws are not - they dont seem to be
2017-12-18 08:06:17
Loetmichel
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14139
2017-12-18 08:06:39
Loetmichel
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14133&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
2017-12-18 08:06:59
Loetmichel
there you can see how i bolted tjem down
2017-12-18 08:07:41
gloops
i started with a bolt at each end, then clamped the middle and got a bolt in
2017-12-18 08:08:03
Loetmichel
same
2017-12-18 08:54:07
Contract_Pilot
http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/VFD-Terminals-Side-By-Side.jpg
2017-12-18 08:54:43
Contract_Pilot
Not sure i am going to get any spindle work done shoot.... hoping to get it done by now!
2017-12-18 08:54:52
Contract_Pilot
Maybe in a week or 2
2017-12-18 08:55:29
gloops
amazing how quick time slips by when wanting to finish something
2017-12-18 08:58:22
archivist
gloops preston is not that far !
2017-12-18 08:58:45
gloops
preston is near liverpool, miles away
2017-12-18 08:59:07
archivist
only miles
2017-12-18 08:59:34
archivist
I got a car from their on ebay
2017-12-18 08:59:37
gloops
cant remember what it was now
2017-12-18 09:00:10
gloops
not so bad for a car, not worth going for a £30 item though
2017-12-18 09:01:15
archivist
sometimes when collecting you get offered extras, so even the cheap stuff turns out good
2017-12-18 09:01:57
gloops
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raglan-Little-John-Lathe/263387374119?
2017-12-18 09:02:02
gloops
that looks ok
2017-12-18 09:02:10
gloops
probably go for more though
2017-12-18 09:02:37
gloops
would have been if it was gearbox model
2017-12-18 09:25:17
gloops
big rotary axis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlNDQ2PVPpI
2017-12-18 09:29:06
gloops
120mm high velocity gun, the shells didnt need explosives, the velocity alone would penetrate any tank and come out the other side, 98% accurate at 3km
2017-12-18 09:50:46
Contract_Pilot
Yea, time go quick... but the VFD is gonna take a bit longer than expected.
2017-12-18 10:32:23
jthornton
morning
2017-12-18 10:49:27
archivist
gloops, I blame you for me getting doughnuts in morrisons this morning!
2017-12-18 10:51:42
gloops
its ok, so long as you get a packet of rennies with them lol
2017-12-18 10:52:38
archivist
I have gust that does not need rennies!
2017-12-18 11:14:17
Contract_Pilot
ICSPCLK
2017-12-18 11:14:18
Contract_Pilot
ICSPDAT
2017-12-18 11:14:18
Contract_Pilot
MCLR/VPP
2017-12-18 11:14:18
Contract_Pilot
•VDD
2017-12-18 11:14:18
Contract_Pilot
•VSS
2017-12-18 11:14:54
XXCoder
decent paste there
2017-12-18 11:27:56
Contract_Pilot
yea, maping pins on this bob
2017-12-18 11:28:22
Contract_Pilot
that headder goes to the ISP
2017-12-18 12:08:24
Tom_L
28°F
2017-12-18 12:09:01
jthornton
45f
2017-12-18 12:09:08
Tom_L
it's coming
2017-12-18 12:10:42
jthornton
not for a week here
2017-12-18 12:15:32
XXCoder
snow wont be here at all
2017-12-18 12:15:37
XXCoder
in least it seems
2017-12-18 12:20:40
phipli
hum. much to do. what to do first...
2017-12-18 12:21:09
phipli
probably make more tea
2017-12-18 12:21:25
phipli
to drink while I consider what I should be doing.
2017-12-18 12:21:33
jthornton
morning
2017-12-18 12:21:36
phipli
morning
2017-12-18 12:21:39
phipli
weather is good
2017-12-18 12:22:03
phipli
I have no excuse not to make an upgraded chicken drinker and/or automatic door
2017-12-18 12:22:17
phipli
first leave from work in months
2017-12-18 12:22:27
phipli
haven't managed to take all of my leave this year
2017-12-18 12:22:35
jthornton
the pullets are checking out the roll out nest box
2017-12-18 12:22:45
phipli
exploring?
2017-12-18 12:23:04
phipli
our white chicken has got so big that her tail is grubby from dragging on the perches
2017-12-18 12:23:08
phipli
she's HUGE
2017-12-18 12:23:10
jthornton
yes
2017-12-18 12:23:26
XXCoder
thats issue with some breed of chickens
2017-12-18 12:23:29
XXCoder
they cant breed
2017-12-18 12:23:42
phipli
she's a white sussex
2017-12-18 12:23:53
XXCoder
theres one guy thats preserving bunch of now hard to find chicken lines
2017-12-18 12:23:53
jthornton
they will be 18 weeks old wednesday
2017-12-18 12:24:00
XXCoder
jthornton: why not grab some of those
2017-12-18 12:24:35
phipli
XXCoder, if I haven't told you before - interesting bread, it is at least most of 2000 years old
2017-12-18 12:24:45
phipli
been here (UK) since the Romans were
2017-12-18 12:24:55
phipli
dual purpose bird
2017-12-18 12:24:57
XXCoder
nice
2017-12-18 12:29:55
jthornton
which breed is that?
2017-12-18 12:30:08
phipli
Light / white sussex
2017-12-18 12:30:37
jthornton
working on getting the rpi to send me a status email at door open/close events when I'm not here
2017-12-18 12:31:04
phipli
I have some instructions for that somewhere...
2017-12-18 12:31:20
jthornton
cool
2017-12-18 12:32:39
jthornton
http://stackabuse.com/how-to-send-emails-with-gmail-using-python/
2017-12-18 12:33:41
xDR1TeK
hi people, how does linuxcnc interface with stepper motors and sensors? only LPT port?\
2017-12-18 12:34:06
jthornton
many options at mesaus.com
2017-12-18 12:34:34
xDR1TeK
i have been doing some reading, still brand new in this
2017-12-18 12:38:51
phipli
jthornton, yeah - due to computer moves I can't find the instructions I was looking for :)
2017-12-18 12:39:01
phipli
but it looks like you have something
2017-12-18 12:42:09
jthornton
yea after fixing his syntax error it works
2017-12-18 12:43:02
jthornton
well sorta works subject and from was wrong
2017-12-18 12:50:51
gloops
aluminium plates.. http://picpaste.com/plates_002-eNPQf3D6.JPG
2017-12-18 12:51:41
XXCoder
nice and bent
2017-12-18 12:54:38
gloops
bent and bendy
2017-12-18 12:55:15
gloops
im not sure, if you mount them with the cupping the same way they might be ok
2017-12-18 12:55:59
jthornton
I see that a lot with 6061 but never with MIC6
2017-12-18 12:56:39
gloops
yeah the mic is ground so they tell me
2017-12-18 12:58:18
jthornton
it's also a cast aluminum so no stresses from rolling
2017-12-18 13:00:23
jthornton
hmm still no subject or from
2017-12-18 13:54:36
phipli
phipli grumbles
2017-12-18 13:55:00
phipli
who puts a 1/8th NPT thread on something and sells it in the UK?
2017-12-18 13:55:31
phipli
short term bodge of running a 10mm die over it (it is plastic) made a surprisingly good job of it though
2017-12-18 13:56:06
phipli
jthornton, I'll have a look through my old programs
2017-12-18 13:56:25
phipli
I wrote something that sent emails with subjects / from etc once...
2017-12-18 13:57:25
archivist
phipli, I just had that problem too!
2017-12-18 13:57:37
phipli
not just me then :)
2017-12-18 13:58:30
archivist
I got a npt to bsp adapter, then fkkkk the adapter is taper and the pressure sensor is parallel npt
2017-12-18 13:58:32
phipli
thankfully I didn't spend too long being confused because my metric thread gauge had 27 tpi and 28 tpi on it, as well as a 1/8th npt die
2017-12-18 13:58:59
archivist
I need a tap!
2017-12-18 13:59:00
phipli
archivist, it has actually got quite difficult - a lot of suppliers don't bother writing p or t any more
2017-12-18 13:59:17
phipli
how urgently? want to borrow one?
2017-12-18 14:00:17
phipli
had to buy a load of BSP fittings for work - one supplier even "kindly" converted 3/8ths into metric and described the part as "9.5mm"
2017-12-18 14:00:43
phipli
erm... no, 3/8 bsp is not equal to 9.5mm thread
2017-12-18 14:00:59
archivist
no rush, it is a long term project you may be convinced to play at too, I want to measure leawood, get a digital steam diagram
2017-12-18 14:02:34
archivist
output to a tablet screen
2017-12-18 14:02:36
phipli
yeah - that is quite awesome
2017-12-18 14:03:26
phipli
what kind of pressure would you be measuring (magnitude?)
2017-12-18 14:04:12
archivist
max pressure safety valves blow at 40
2017-12-18 14:04:21
phipli
psi?
2017-12-18 14:04:29
JT-Shop
stupid quickbooks forces you to upgrade explorer
2017-12-18 14:04:38
archivist
we dont do metric on that engine!
2017-12-18 14:04:46
phipli
just checking :)
2017-12-18 14:05:05
archivist
we wind up a lot of visitors :)
2017-12-18 14:05:08
phipli
might have been bushels per cubit
2017-12-18 14:06:31
archivist
I got one of the cheap automotive sensors off ebay -14.5 -30
2017-12-18 14:08:04
JT-Shop
hmm one of the pullets is inside the nest box
2017-12-18 14:08:15
archivist
may get this one for top of cylinder http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5V-0-1-2-MPa-Pressure-Transducer-Sensor-Oil-Fuel-Diesel-Gas-Water-Air-Sensor/282407738443
2017-12-18 14:08:28
JT-Shop
I need a small poe ip camera in the egg collection box
2017-12-18 14:14:32
IchGucksLive
hi
2017-12-18 14:15:20
archivist
phipli, I think possibly the hard part is non intrusive engine movement sensing
2017-12-18 14:32:27
phipli
laser distance measuring?
2017-12-18 14:32:58
phipli
or measure the angle of the beam?
2017-12-18 14:33:20
archivist
or hang an encoder with a magnet on the beam
2017-12-18 14:33:53
Rab
archivist, parallel NPT = NPS. ;) https://www.usplastic.com/knowledgebase/article.aspx?contentkey=998
2017-12-18 14:36:04
phipli
JT-Shop, or something that measures weight
2017-12-18 14:36:49
Rab
NPT is common for plumbing here, I believe NPS is mostly used for electrical fittings. I had to find a tap for 3/4" NPS, it took a little searching.
2017-12-18 14:36:52
archivist
accelerometer the thud of an egg drop
2017-12-18 14:37:56
phipli
with the number of birds you have, you'll be tripping out there every half hour if you react to every egg :)
2017-12-18 14:39:00
phipli
Rab : our stuff is almost all BSP
2017-12-18 14:39:20
phipli
even though we've "gone metric"
2017-12-18 14:39:30
archivist
except when the chinese sneek something in :)
2017-12-18 14:39:37
phipli
exactly
2017-12-18 14:39:47
phipli
phipli glares at the drinker outlets
2017-12-18 14:40:06
phipli
archivist, actually, the M10 die did a really good job of "converting" them
2017-12-18 14:41:05
archivist
still have to end up with bsp
2017-12-18 14:41:48
archivist
cheap fix https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Male-BSP-Female-NPT-BRASS-Reducing-Bush-BSP-to-American-Adapters-male-female/131225693084
2017-12-18 14:41:58
Rab
I need to make some kind of motorized tapping machine for the huge 3/4" tap, actually. I made a holder for my drill press but runout is pretty bad.
2017-12-18 14:42:40
Rab
Sweet, a search for 'linuxcnc thread milling' turns up example code for 3/4-16! http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Example_G-Code_Programs
2017-12-18 14:42:56
phipli
archivist, http://elephantandchicken.co.uk/projects/M10NPT.jpg
2017-12-18 14:43:04
Rab
Presumably not tapered.
2017-12-18 14:43:40
archivist
phipli The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading. problem inbetween somewhere
2017-12-18 14:43:49
gloops
muscle power Rab
2017-12-18 14:43:53
phipli
give it a second go
2017-12-18 14:43:57
phipli
it isn't locally hosted
2017-12-18 14:44:27
phipli
could drop the image size if it helps
2017-12-18 14:44:53
archivist
nah I get a fixed set of urls not working
2017-12-18 14:44:59
Rab
gloops, that's how I started--workpiece in drill press vise, crescent wrench on tap--but it gets old fast, and my runout isn't particularly good either.
2017-12-18 14:45:36
archivist
weird problem, probably a proxy server in BT
2017-12-18 14:46:01
phipli
strange
2017-12-18 14:46:40
phipli
I've re-uploaded it smaller anyhow - I was just being lazy leaving it full size anyway.
2017-12-18 14:46:49
archivist
since last wednesday morning
2017-12-18 14:47:17
phipli
have you told them?
2017-12-18 14:47:26
phipli
BT aren't the best at... listening
2017-12-18 14:47:27
phipli
at all
2017-12-18 14:47:41
archivist
really terrible company
2017-12-18 14:49:39
phipli
the worst thing possible - a former nationalised industry converted into a for money monopoly
2017-12-18 14:50:25
phipli
"it isn't our fault the competition didn't inherit an entire national infrastructure at bargain prices"
2017-12-18 14:53:46
Rab
Is there a special name for single-point thread milling cutters? Is it just something people grind?
2017-12-18 14:55:28
phipli
if you're cutting UNC you'll want a 60 degree angle on it
2017-12-18 14:55:31
gregcnc
I've seen people take a tap and grind away all but one full tooth for thread milling
2017-12-18 14:55:47
gregcnc
otherwise they are just single point thread mills
2017-12-18 14:57:08
phipli
(to clarify, I mean the cut it makes needs to be a 60 degree 'V')
2017-12-18 15:03:19
Rab
phipli, NPS, which also has a 60 degree angle. I guess it might be indistinguishable from UNC, unless the thread crest profile is different.
2017-12-18 15:07:53
phipli
http://www2.mae.ufl.edu/designlab/Lab%20Resources/Types_of_threads.pdf
2017-12-18 15:12:15
JT-Shop
hmm maybe put a through beam in the nest box to count eggs and alert me when one is laid
2017-12-18 15:14:04
_methods
scale?
2017-12-18 15:14:48
_methods
scale is probably overly complicated
2017-12-18 15:15:07
_methods
what about a little arm that trips a switch when an egg comes into the box
2017-12-18 15:16:28
jym
Train the chickens to BARK every time they lay an egg.
2017-12-18 15:17:12
_methods
^^
2017-12-18 15:18:37
phipli
spring loaded flap that taps a microswitch when an egg rolls over it
2017-12-18 15:18:53
phipli
jym : they do
2017-12-18 15:18:59
phipli
it is called "the egg song"
2017-12-18 15:19:08
phipli
they sing it loud, they sing it proud
2017-12-18 15:19:49
phipli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17wGTlGKJJ0
2017-12-18 15:21:16
phipli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VO8CZ3EV2E
2017-12-18 15:27:59
archivist
Rab, you can buy inserts for thread profile
2017-12-18 15:37:44
phipli
JT-Shop, jthornton - which machine are you on?
2017-12-18 15:50:31
IchGucksLive
Hi from a snow melting Germany
2017-12-18 16:03:11
phipli
hey Ich
2017-12-18 16:03:54
phipli
had much snow? we had ~60mm or so
2017-12-18 16:03:59
phipli
last week
2017-12-18 16:04:03
phipli
all gone now